Rick Warren’s Common Ground With The Iniquity of The Pharisees


Below is a transcript taken from Chris Rosebrough’s radio show podcast Fighting For The Faith Radio podcast which was originally broadcast on Tuesday August 27th 2013, which you can subscribe to on iTunes. I highly recommend you do this if you want to develop discernment. 

You can also watch the video of Rick Warren’s sermon – Employing Your Experiences – part 1 > http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/daily-hope/listen/employing-your-experiences-part-1-356986.html

Here is the video link for this transcript >  http://youtu.be/QMy5MsMlL78

[Segment: 00:56:45 – 01:33:21]

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay welcome back to Fighting for the Faith. This is hour number two and we are not doing a sermon review – a normal one. We have a purpose driven update instead. I want with what you just heard fresh in your mind to take a listen to a typical Rick Warren sermon and what he does with the scripture.

When you compare the two you will go, ‘Uh huh I get it.’ Alright now since we are doing a purpose driven update. It requires me to do this.

Purpose – John Tartaglia

Purpose.
It keeps you going strong
Like a car with a full
Tank of gas.

Everyone else has a purpose,

So what’s mine?

Oh look.

Here’s a penny.
It’s from the year I was born.

It’s a sign!

Ha! Ba ba ba ba doo doo doo doo doo.

I don’t know how I know,

But I’m gonna find my purpose.
I don’t know where I’m gonna look,
But I’m gonna find my purpose.

Gotta find out.

Don’t wanna wait.
Got to make sure that my life will be great.

Gotta find my purpose.
Before it’s too late.

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah there we go. I have got to find my purpose before it is too late. Okay so Rick Warren has a new, it is not exactly new – but new this year radio programme and the name of the programme is Daily Hope With Rick Warren, it should be renamed Daily Bible Twisting with Rick Warren. That is what it should be named and what we are going to be listening to is a segment from a his presentation called shaped to make a difference Employing Your Experience.

So you know in the purpose driven theology, employing your experience is much important. The problem is that this entire teaching is based on nothing but twisting God’s Word and irrationally interpreting it, employing the third iniquity if you would of the Pharisees and how they mishandle God’s Word.

Remember they pay no attention to context. ‘You know so it says in scripture that The Torah is not in heaven, therefore we have the sole authority to interpret the scriptures right. It says incline not to the, incline to the majority, that means majority rules when it comes to us deciding what the scriptures means right and you go and look and you go look those those passages up in context and they are not saying any of the things the Pharisees say they were saying.

Well it is weird. Rick Warren employs the exact same irrational twisting of God’s Word to make it say things it doesn’t say. So here is Rick Warren explaining to us the importance of employing our experiences complete with biblical passages supposedly supporting this particular teaching of Rick Warren. Here we go….

Rick Warren, “You know I like chocolate chip cookies. In fact I like them a lot. I like them so much, I know how to make them. In fact I don’t even need a recipe. I have made them. I know to make chocolate chips and the amazing thing is I get in a little hurry sometimes and I want to eat the individual ingredients and they taste like pearls spit. Somehow though when you mix five bad things with one good thing and you stir them up together.

It is so good to eat half the dough before you make the cookie. How is that? Five bad things and one good equal a really good mixture and that is what God wants to do with your life. He wants to take bad, bad, bad, good and turn you into Mrs. Fields.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay so apparently God wants to take all these bad experiences, add one good ingredient and turn you into a chocolate chip cookie. That is kind of the metaphor. Remember the name of this particular sermon is at least on the radio programme Shaped to Make a Difference – Employing Your Experiences…..”

Rick Warren, “And he is a pro at it and today we are going to look at how he does it. God does not want you to waste your experiences. So how do I keep from wasting the experiences that I have had in my life up to this point…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Now what does it mean to waste your experiences? Where in scripture is this important Christian doctrine about not wasting your experiences? I don’t even know what, how do you waste an experience? How do you capitalize on an experience so that you don’t waste it? I am kind of at a loss here.”

Rick Warren, “Three things. Number one, first you must embrace your experiences.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay so number one if you don’t want to waste your experiences you have got to embrace it first.”

Rick Warren, “You must embrace them….”

Chris Rosebrough, “I don’t know what that means?”

Rick Warren, “You must embrace the experiences in your life, the good ones – the bad ones. The shameful ones, the right ones, the wrong ones, the happy and the sad ones – all of them. You have got to stop running from your past, if God is going to use it for good in your life.”

Chris Rosebrough, “So God is going to use my past experiences for good, if I stop running from them. I don’t know what this means?”

Rick Warren, “Galatians 3 v 4 says this….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Now listen to what he does with this biblical text.

Galatians 3 v 4 I think is what he said. Let me back this up, just a smidge. Open your Bible. Let’s take a look at this together. Listen to what he says.”

Rick Warren, “Galatians 3 v 4 says this….

Galatians 3 v 4 (Easy to Read Version – ERV)

You have experienced many things. Were all those experiences wasted? I hope not

And as your pastor I say….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay woah, woah slow down there text.

Okay so Galatians 3 v 4……

Galatians 3 v 4 (Easy to Read Version – ERV)

4 You have experienced many things….”

What translation is he reading from? Okay let me read it to you from the ESV, which is a perfectly great translation and here is what it says.

Galatians 3 v 1-9 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?  Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Now if you are not familiar with the epistle to the Galatians. This is a harshly, and I mean strongly harshly worded letter to the churches in Galatia because they were believing a false gospel. They were believing that they were saved in part by their keeping of The Torah. You know the Judaizers had come in after Paul left and told them, ‘Listen you are not saved. You are not really a Christian, unless you get circumcised.

Unless you follow the Jewish festivals and feasts and here Paul goes right back to salvation by grace alone through faith alone by Christ’s work alone and Galatians 3 is not at all about employing your experiences or not wasting your experiences. This is about whether or not they have received the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit by works of the law or whether they have received the Spirit by believing with faith the message that was preached to them.

So when we get to Galatians 3 v 4…..

Galatians 3 v 4 (Easy to Read Version – ERV)

Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

That is from the ESV and I think it is the far superior of a translation to what is going on there in the Greek text. I don’t know what translation he is reading from. But let me read it from a different translation. Just to kind of make the point. The NIV says.

Galatians 3 v 4 (NIV – New International Version)

Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing?

Okay that is the NIV then – the 1984 edition. The old NASB from 1977 says this….

Galatians 3 v 4 (NASB – New American Standard Version)

Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

You notice what is going on here? Let’s take a look at what the KJV says….

Galatians 3 v 4 (KJV – King James Version)

Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

Yeah weird so Galatians 3 has nothing to do with employing your experiences and embracing them. This is so Galatians has nothing to do with embracing your experiences at all. So what is Rick Warren doing? Well this is the third iniquity of the Pharisees. Irrationally mishandling the Word of God to make it say things that it doesn’t say at all. Let me back this up now and we will listen to it in context and listen to what Rick Warren does with this Galatians 3 passage.”

Rick Warren, “You must embrace the experiences in your life, the good ones – the bad ones. The shameful ones, the right ones, the wrong ones, the happy and sad ones – all of them. You have got to stop running from your past, if God is going to use it for good in your life.

Galatians 3 v 4 (ERV – Easy to Read Version)

You have experienced many things. Were all those experiences wasted? I hope they were not wasted!

And as your pastor I say to you I hope not too. Don’t run away from your past. The problem is because of pain many people deny their past….”

Chris Rosebrough, “You see what he did with Galatians 3 v 4? This is not an isolated incident with Rick Warren. This is exactly the stable of food that he lays out before people, calling this biblical preaching and teaching. He is not a safe teacher. In fact he is a liar. That is not what this text is teaching at all.

Galatians 3 has nothing to do with embracing your experiences and he goes and finds some weird off bizarre translation in order to find the word experience to plug it into his message and his doctrine and his theology.

In other words Rick Warren is teaching as doctrines the commands of men. Okay what is the command of the man Rick Warren? Rick Warren you have got to embrace your experiences. How does he come up with this man made doctrine? Well he twists the Word of God to make it say something it doesn’t say at all. That is how he came up with this. But here is a command from God. Embrace your experiences.

Where do we get that from? Well from some bizarre translation of Galatians 3 v 4, about did you experience these things for nothing, well I hope not. You know completely ripped from context, not paying attention to anything that it actually says. This is how Rick Warren operates and he will do it again and then when he is done doing that, then he is going to do it again. Listen in…..”

Rick Warren, “The problem is because of pain many people deny their past, ignore their past, discount their past, regret their past, resent the past, shoot they revise their past and rewrite their past and they make up little stories that aren’t really the way it was. Because they are happier with their story, than the pain of the past. God says if you are in denial, you can’t use it for good and I can’t….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Did you hear who he said says that? Listen again okay. Let me back this up. Listen to he says if you are in denial he can’t use your past. Listen to this….”

Rick Warren, “The problem is because of pain many people deny their past, ignore their past, discount their past, regret their past, resent the past, shoot they revise their past and rewrite their past and they make up little stories that aren’t really the way it was. Because they are happier with their story, than the pain of the past. God says if you are in denial, you can’t use it for good and I can’t use it for good in your life….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Where does God say if you are in denial about your past and don’t embrace your past experiences. God can’t use it for good. There isn’t a passage in scripture, where God says any of that? This is not what God’s Word says. Rick Warren is making stuff up and putting it in the mouth of God and doing so by twisting God’s Word. He is teaching as doctrines the commandments, [The Takkanot] of men….”

Rick Warren, “Would you write this on your outline? God can use every experience in my life for good. Every experience – the relational, the educational, the spiritual, the vocational, the painful, all of them – the ones you like and the ones didn’t like. He can use them all. But you have got to stop running from them. You have got to embrace your experiences…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “So first step. You have got to embrace your experiences. Nowhere in scripture are you commanded to embrace your experiences, especially Galatians 3 v 4…..”

Rick Warren, “And maybe your parents weren’t that great or maybe you weren’t that hot in school or maybe you weren’t the football captain or the prom queen. Well so what? They are your experiences. Own them and God will use them for good in your life. Now in order to use them, you have got to remember them.

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay so now we have got to remember our experiences. So command number one, embrace your experiences. Command number two remember your experiences and which passage from The Bible teaches this?”

Rick Warren, “Stop pushing them out of your mind. You have got to remember them and Jesus tells us this and in fact in The Old Testament tells it too in

Deuteronomy 11 v 2…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay let’s take a look at Deuteronomy 11 v 2, before he ever gets there. Deuteronomy 11 v 2 and we will look at this in context is this passage saying make sure to remember your experiences. Okay let’s in fact, let’s go to the tail end of Deuteronomy 10, add a little context. Remember our three rules for sound biblical exegesis are context, context and context. So let’s go to Deuteronomy 10 v 12 and then we will keep reading into Deuteronomy 11 and then we will see what is going on in this passage. Okay….

Deuteronomy 10 v 12-22 (ESV – English Standard Version)

12 “And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,13 and to keep the commandments and statutes of the Lord, which I am commanding you today for your good? 14 Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it. 15 Yet the Lord set his heart in love on your fathers and chose their offspring after them, you above all peoples, as you are this day. 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.

17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. 18 He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. 19 Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt. 20 You shall fear the Lord your God. You shall serve him and hold fast to him, and by his name you shall swear. 21 He is your praise. He is your God, who has done for you these great and terrifying things that your eyes have seen. 22 Your fathers went down to Egypt seventy persons, and now the Lord your God has made you as numerous as the stars of heaven.

Now pause there for a second, we are in the book of Deuteronomy. What is the context historically of what is going on? The children of Israel are just about ready to enter into the promised land, the forty years that they were punished for their unbelief. Remember the story the twelve spies who went to spy on Canaan and the then who gave a bad report and the children of Israel didn’t believe.

Well God punished them for 40 years, one year for each day that the spies were in Canaan right and all of the every adult above the age of 20. They died in the wilderness, during that 40 years and they were not going in. They did not go into the promised land. So now the children of Israel are literally on the border. Getting ready to cross the Jordan and Deuteronomy is a retelling, a second telling of the law and a remembering of all that God had done for them.

So Deuteronomy 11 v 1 then reads….

Deuteronomy 11 v 1-7 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 “You shall therefore love the Lord your God and keep his charge, his statutes, his rules, and his commandments always. And consider today (since I am not speaking to your children who have not known or seen it), consider the discipline of the Lord your God, his greatness, his mighty hand and his outstretched arm, his signs and his deeds that he did in Egypt to Pharaoh the king of Egypt and to all his land, and what he did to the army of Egypt, to their horses and to their chariots, how he made the water of the Red Sea flow over them as they pursued after you, and how the Lord has destroyed them to this day,

and what he did to you in the wilderness, until you came to this place,and what he did to Dathan and Abiram the sons of Eliab, son of Reuben, how the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households, their tents, and every living thing that followed them, in the midst of all Israel. For your eyes have seen all the great work of the Lord that he did.

Now notice this is a telling of Israel to recall all the wondrous things that He had done and this is not a command to remember your experiences. This is a command for them to recount salvation history. The things that were then recorded in the written Word of God. This is not a command saying, ‘Oh and here is the principle. Remember your experiences.’

No it is to recall the wonders of what God did in setting Israel free out of captivity and slavery and since we have been grafted into Israel, their history is our history and that is all type and shadow pointing to the reality and the reality is this – each and every one of us was born dead in trespasses in sins and enslavery to sin, death and the devil and Christ has sprung us free by His cross and He is bringing us into the promised kingdom of God. Okay that is what is going on here.

But there is no general command here. ‘Oh to remember your experiences.’ And to turn that into that is to twist God’s Word. So let me back this up and let’s see what Rick Warren does with Deuteronomy 11 v 2.”

Rick Warren, “And maybe your parents weren’t that great or maybe you weren’t that hot in school or maybe you weren’t the football captain or the prom queen. Well so what? They are your experiences. Own them and God will use them for good in your life. Now in order to use them, you have got to remember them.

Stop pushing them out of your mind. You have got to remember them and Jesus tells us this and in fact in The Old Testament tells it too in Deuteronomy 11 v 2. It says…

Deuteronomy 11 v 2 (GNT – Good News Translation)

Remember today what you have learned about the Lord through your experiences with him.

Chris Rosebrough, “What translation says that? Deuteronomy 11 v 2 says…..

Deuteronomy 11 v 2 (ESV – English Standard Version)

And consider today (since I am not speaking to your children who have not known or seen it), consider the discipline of the Lord your God, his greatness, his mighty hand and his outstretched arm,

That is actually a faithful rendering of what the Hebrew says there. Again let me read from the NIV Deuteronomy 11 v 2 says…..

Deuteronomy 11 v 2 (NIV – New International Version)

Remember today that your children were not the ones who saw and experienced the discipline of the Lord your God: his majesty, his mighty hand, his outstretched arm;

So what Rick Warren is saying here, this is not what this text says and it is not teaching what Rick Warren says it is teaching. Rick Warren is engaging in the third iniquity of the Pharisees. Let me back this up so that you can hear it again. Again this is not some isolated incident. This is Sunday after Sunday after Sunday, what Rick Warren does to the scriptures…..”

Rick Warren, “And maybe your parents weren’t that great or maybe you weren’t that hot in school or maybe you weren’t the football captain or the prom queen. Well so what? They are your experiences. Own them and God will use them for good in your life. Now in order to use them, you have got to remember them.

Stop pushing them out of your mind. You have got to remember them and Jesus tells us this and in fact in The Old Testament tells it too in Deuteronomy 11 v 2. It says…

Deuteronomy 11 v 2 (GNT – Good News Translation)

Remember today what you have learned about the Lord through your experiences with him.

Now it says remember what you have learned. It is saying the important thing is to remember the lessons. Remember the lessons. Now how do you do that? Well the best way to remember the lessons of your life, the experiences is to keep a journal….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Deuteronomy 11 is not telling us to keep a journal. What is he doing to God’s Word? What is he teaching these people?”

Rick Warren, “Now I am not talking about a diary, a diary is a list of what you did. Today I went to the store and brought milk, whoopi dido. But you don’t necessarily write in it every day. It is just every time you have important lesson. You write that one down, because you don’t want to forget it and go, ‘Oh boy that was painful. I had to learn that one the hard way. I don’t want to forget that and you write down the lesson.’ He says….

              Deuteronomy 11 v 2

Remember what you have learned about Me

And you want to keep a journal. This is one of my journals. I have been keeping a journal, off and on now for well since I was in college….”

Chris Rosebrough, “And now notice because number one you must embrace your experiences and number two you must remember your experiences. The implication is if you are not keeping a journal of your experiences, because according to Rick Warren Deuteronomy 11 v 2 says you have got to remember these things and you are not journaling. You are probably sinning and not doing what God has commanded you to do. Yeah that is exactly the implication of what is going on here….”

Rick Warren, “And I don’t write in it every day or even every week. It is just when I get a lesson, I don’t want to forget that one and I hear something. I learn something, I write it down and then I go back and reread it. Now why do you want to keep a journal on your experiences and lessons you learned from them in life?

Because hindsight is always twenty twenty, you understand your life looking back – not looking forward. Isn’t that true? It makes a whole lot more sense, looking backwards. In fact Jesus said it. Notice this next verse.

John 13 v 7 (NIV – New International Version)

7 Jesus replied,‘You do not realize now what I am doing. But later you will understand.”

Chris Rosebrough, “So when Jesus said, ‘You do not realize now what I am doing. But later you will understand. He was teaching us to remember our experiences. Is this what The Bible teaches? That verse that he is referencing is The Gospel of John 13 v 7. Let’s take a look at the context here and see if here in John 13. Jesus is telling us the importance of remembering our experiences.

John 13 v 1-10 (NIV – New International Version)

1 It was just before the Passover Festival. Jesus knew that the hour had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end.

The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.” “No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” “Then, Lord,” Simon Peter replied, “not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!” 10 Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.”

So there we go…..

John 13 v 7 (NIV – New International Version)

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

Is not absolutely not a passage that is teaching us to remember our experiences. Rick Warren again is twisting God’s Word. This is three passages now that he has twisted. Galatians 3 v 4; Deuteronomy 11 v 2; and now John 13 v 7. Let me back this up so that you can hear what is going on here. Again this is the iniquity of the Pharisees the third one….”

Rick Warren, “Now why do you want to keep a journal on your experiences and lessons you learned from them in life?

Because hindsight is always twenty twenty, you understand your life looking back – not looking forward. Isn’t that true? It makes a whole lot more sense, looking backwards. In fact Jesus said it. Notice this next verse.

John 13 v 7 (NIV – New International Version)

7 Jesus replied,‘You do not realize now what I am doing. But later you will understand.”

You almost never understand what God is doing in your life in the present. It is only looking back you go, ‘Oh now I see it. Now I see what God was doing. He was doing this. I didn’t see it at the time….’

Chris Rosebrough, “This passage isn’t about us remembering our experiences….”

Rick Warren, “You almost never understand what God is doing in your life in the present. It is only looking back you go, ‘Oh now I see it. Now I see what God was doing. He was doing this. I didn’t see it at the time. But I see it now.

Joseph was a man who in The Bible everything in his life went wrong for 40 years. It was downhill. Nothing went right. Including being thrown in jail for rape that he did not even do. He had run from the woman and she falsely accused him.

Everything went wrong in this poor guy’s life for the first 40 years and yet later looking back when God had done a series of amazing things and raised him to second in command in Egypt and during the famine he saved Israel and Egypt from starving to death and when he was confronted with the brothers who traded him into slavery years ago and told their dad, ‘You know he just died sorry.’ He said this next verse.

Genesis 50 v 20

20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good….

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah that is what the passage says, but that passage again just like all the others isn’t teaching us the importance of remembering our experiences….”

Rick Warren, “Now there are things in your life, where people intended to hurt you and they meant it. They meant to hurt you and I am sorry and they intended it for bad. But God is greater than your problem and your pain and His purpose is far bigger than either of those and He means it for good. So first you have to embrace your experiences….”

Chris Rosebrough, “So first you have got to embrace your experiences and none of the passages he quoted say that….”

Rick Warren, “Stop running from them. Number two, first you embrace the experiences. Second you extract the lessons….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Remember and extract the lessons and none of the passages that he cited say that.”

Rick Warren, “You pull the lessons out of the experience you have had, an unexamined experience is worthless. There are people who are 50 years old. They haven’t lived 50 years. They have lived 1 year 50 times and it is still making the same mistakes, because they never stop and extract the lessons from what happened in this last year and how can I do it differently based on what I did this last year….”

Chris Rosebrough, “So kind of if you don’t do this then you are going to be living groundhog day, over and over again.”

Rick Warren, “And they never pull it out. 2 Corinthians 13 v 5 says this. I love this in The Amplified Version.

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (AB – Amplified Bible)

Examine and test and evaluate your own selves to see whether you are holding to your faith

In other words you have got to extract the lessons…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah Rick Warren here is pulling a fast one and what I mean by that is 2 Corinthians 13 v 5, it doesn’t matter what translation you read whether it is the ESV, the NIV, the NASB, the KJV, or whatever alphabet soup you maybe studying from. It doesn’t matter the text itself does not say anything about remembering your experiences and extracting the lessons from it. He is completely twisting this passage. Let me just read it simply.

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith.

In the faith, it doesn’t say examine your life experiences and extract the lessons from them. It says….

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith.

The fact that Rick Warren is quoting the Amplified here, how many different translations has he used so far? I think four different verses, four different translations and this is what the text says.

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

This passage has nothing to do with life experiences and what you should or shouldn’t be doing with them. Let me back this up just a smidge and listen to what Rick Warren does to this text.

Rick Warren, “You pull the lessons out of the experience you have had, an unexamined experience is worthless. There are people who are 50 years old. They haven’t lived 50 years. They have lived 1 year 50 times and it is still making the same mistakes, because they never stop and extract the lessons from what happened in this last year and how can I do it differently based on what I did this last year and they never pull it out. 2 Corinthians 13 v 5 says this. I love this in The Amplified Version.

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (AB – Amplified Bible)

Examine and test and evaluate your own selves to see whether you are holding to your faith

In other words you have got to extract the lessons. Do you not realise by an ever increasing experience that Jesus Christ is in you…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “What is he talking about?

2 Corinthians 13 v 5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Rick Warren what was he doing looking for the word experience so he can plug it in here and not pay attention to anything at all, what God’s Word really says. He is basically manipulating God’s Word to make it appear that it is teaching these things and it is not. These are not doctrines of God. These are the doctrines of the man Rick Warren and his clever Bible twisting and in such a postmodern way….”

Rick Warren, “Haven’t you figured out by now, you are never alone. That God is with you all the time. That no matter, when you thought you were your most lonely – He was right there with you. Have you not figured out from your experiences yet….”

Chris Rosebrough, “This text doesn’t say any of that….”

Rick Warren, “That Jesus is with you and in you. If you have invited Him into your life. If you haven’t you are not keeping a record of where your life is headed.”

Chris Rosebrough, “2 Corinthians 13 v 5 has nothing to do with keeping a record of where you are headed in your life or anything of the sort. I think I have made the point. You get what I am getting at here right? This is exactly what Rick Warren does Sunday after Sunday.

This is exactly what he did when he wrote the so called Purpose Driven Life. He took God’s Word and twisted it into a pretzel. Third iniquity of the Pharisees style. He is teaching as doctrines the commands of the man Rick Warren, not what God’s Word really says and there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who tune into to hear Rick Warren preaching and teaching and when he is doing this are they rightly understanding what God has revealed in His Word? No, are they being taught the truth? No they are being taught lies. Are they being taught the doctrines of God?

No they are being taught the doctrines of men under the pretence that is the doctrines of God, based on completely ripping texts out of context and irrationally interpreting them to say things that they don’t say at all. This is exactly why Rick Warren is a dangerous man. Because Jesus Himself said that Satan is the one who is a liar and when he lies he speaks his native language.

When a pastor gets up and without any pangs of conscience, you know can just get up there and just start twisting God’s Word like this and not actually feel like he is doing anything wrong and can lie about God and His Word so fluently, what he is proving is that he is not really a son of God.

But that he is like his father the devil and he is a liar. This is why Rick Warren is so dangerous and the whole purpose driven movement that he is the kingpin of, he is the mafia don of – well they take after him. Which means they are not really teaching the truth. They are not really proclaiming Christ. They are not really teaching sound doctrine. They are leading people astray and sending them to hell and Christ speaks ever so vocally against this exact thing in Mark 7.

So what do you think? I would love to get your feedback. If you would like to email me regarding anything you have heard on this edition or any previous editions of Fighting for the Faith. You can do so my email address is talkback@fightingforthefaith.com or you can subscribe on Facebook – facebook.com/piratechristian or you can follow me on Twitter. My name there is @piratechristian.

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