Fighting For The Faith With Chris Rosebrough – Steven Furtick Answers the Question Did God Make a Mistake?


Below is a transcript taken from Chris Rosebrough’s radio show podcast Fighting For The Faith Radio podcast which was originally broadcast on Tuesday May 14th 2013, which you can subscribe to iTunes. I highly recommend you do this if you want to develop discernment. You can also listen to Steven Furtick’s sermon mp3 – The Antidote to Insecurity  by subscribing to his church podcast: Elevation Church:: Charlotte, NC.

Here  is  the video  link  http://youtu.be/h0JVXhEzFBM

[First Segment – 00:09:29 – 00:09:41]

Chris Rosebrough, “We have a Steven Furtick update and he is going to be answering the question did God make a mistake? We are going to focus a little bit more on Steven Furtick’s narcissistic way of handling God’s Word.

[Second Segment – 00:50:46 – 01:13:55]

[Plays intro music for Steven Furtick]

That is right Steven Furtick update.

You walked up to the pulpit,

Like you were a man of God

Your hair strategically cut to the new style
That Bieber was making hot
You had one eye on the camera as you watched the crowd applaud
All of the pastors dreamed that you’d be their mentor, You’d be their mentor and…

You’re so vain, you probably think The Bible’s about you

You’re so vain, I bet you think The Bible’s about you
Don’t you, Don’t you?

You fooled me several years ago,

When I was just a baby sheep
Well you told me we were made to serve
And my tithe was all you’d need
But you twisted up The Bible so no one else had said a peep
I was afraid, then I heard the real  gospel, heard the real gospel, and…

You’re so vain, you probably think The Bible’s about you

You’re so vain, I bet you think The Bible’s about you
Don’t you, Don’t you?

Alright so Steven Furtick’s blog has a fairly recent blog post entitled Did God Make a Mistake? Now obviously the answer to the question is well no especially if you understand the correct understanding of the doctrine of original sin and also understand that as you are listening to Steven Furtick it is not God who has made a mistake. It is he who Steven Furtick who is making a mistake in his wrong handling of God’s Word. See I am getting distracted by the music. I am loving it, alright enough of that.

Okay so without any further or due here is Steven Furtick answering the question Did God make a mistake? And he is making a huge, Steven Furtick is he is making a huge mistake in how he is applying scripture and the understanding of the image of God. I will explain along the way. Here is Steven Furtick.

Steven Furtick, “The Bible says that….

1 Samuel 16 v 7 (NASB – New American Standard Bible)

7 Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.

We can be all put together on the outside, but until you realise that God has been at work since before you were born, putting you together on the inside. You don’t even have a clue how valuable you are in Christ.”

Chris Rosebrough, “How, yeah narcissism written with a capital s.t.e.v.e anyway yeah weird there, see he did make an allusion to scripture. Listen again…..”

Steven Furtick, “The Bible says that….

1 Samuel 16 v 7 (NASB – New American Standard Bible)

7 Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.

We can be all put together on the outside, but until you realise that God has been at work since before you were born, putting you together on the inside. You don’t even have a clue how valuable you are….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Oh wow I am so important because I need to know that God has been working on me on the inside since before I was born. Hogwash that is not what The Bible teaches. Now let me make you know a couple of things clear here. If you have your Bible flip on over to The Gospel of Mark chapter 7 and we are going to kind of pick up with the tail end of Jesus chastisement of the Pharisees and the scribes who came to visit him from Jerusalem, of course took issue with the fact that the disciples were eating with common hands.

The Greek there is common, so they were eating with common hands or you could say defiled hands and why were they defiled? Because they were not ceremonially washed before the disciples were eating their meal and of course everybody knows that if you since cleanliness is next to godliness, if you don’t wash your hands before you eat then you soil your Spirit and you become unclean in God’s eyes.

Well at least that was the Pharisees thought and they couldn’t be further from the truth and so Jesus chastises them for making void the Word of God through their tradition. Basically teaching things that are not in scripture, exalting their own man made notions and nullifying and letting go of God’s clear Word right and then for further clarification starting at Mark 7 v 14. Here is what Jesus said…..

Mark 7 v 14-17 (ESV – English Standard Version)

14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand:15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”  16 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!  17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable.

Now it is funny this wasn’t really a parable. You know here Jesus disciples think that Jesus is speaking parabolically, yeah He is not. This was just straight matter of fact. So He said to them…..

Mark 7 v 18-22 (ESV – English Standard Version)

18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”

The Greek here is wonderful it says and then leaves him and goes into to the latrine. Right and so by saying this he is declaring….

Mark 7 v 20-22 (ESV – English Standard Version)

(Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Now with this little bit of information then could you somehow point me to something fantastic inside of me, inside of you that tells me how important you are? Because if you examine your life in light of this list I am absolutely confident that one hundred percent of everybody hearing my voice at this moment, whether it is a year from now, ten years from now or whatever everybody hearing my voice. There was nobody left standing after I read that list. Let me you know okay if you are able, if you are left standing and there is not a single thing on this that doesn’t apply to you email me I would like to hear from you because you obviously can walk on water. But let me read this list again. Jesus said…..

Mark 7 v 21-22 (ESV – English Standard Version)

21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality,

Have any of you had sexually immoral thoughts?

Mark 7 v 21-22 (ESV – English Standard Version)

21Theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality,

By the way the Greek here is fantastic.

Mark 7 v 22 (ESV – English Standard Version

22 Envy, [the Greek is somebody with an evil eye. Somebody with the evil eye, that means envy] slander, pride, foolishness.

23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Now is there anybody after listening to that list that can say, ‘Oh I am undefiled.’ No-one, we are this list shows that each and every one of us are defiled. That we have actually tested positive for the disease known as sin and that disease is doing what it does, producing the pussy oozy nasty defiling icky stuff that defiles us, because we sin as a result of what comes out. Sin starts in the heart.

So here already I mean Steven Furtick and this tiny little sound bite that we are going to be playing from him, already is off on the wrong foot. Oh you know because he says, ‘Well God looks at the heart.’ Well that is not good news. Because God knows exactly what is inside of there and Jesus Himself makes it clear, there ain’t nothing good in there. Listen again…..

Steven Furtick, “The Bible says that….

1 Samuel 16 v 7 (NASB – New American Standard Bible)

7 Man looks at the outward appearance, God looks at the heart.

We can be all put together on the outside, but until you realise that God has been at work since before you were born, putting you together on the inside.

Chris Rosebrough, “No you were born dead in trespasses in sins and at war with God. Read Ephesians 2 v 1-3….”

Steven Furtick, “You don’t even have a clue how valuable you are….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Oh I am so valuable. Right yeah…..”

Steven Furtick, “You don’t even have a clue how valuable you are in Christ. I want to say to every lady in our audience today. God put you together. He formed you. You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Every part of you is intentional. Everything about is something that was on His mind. You are unique….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Really so every part of you was intentional and on God’s mind. So it was on God’s mind and it was completely intentional on God’s part that all the ladies listening to this message would sin through coveting, envy, backbiting, gossip. You get what I am saying here? Yeah so that was all intentional on God’s part.”

Steven Furtick, “You are crafted in His image Genesis 1 v 26 according to His likeness. Say it again ladies.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Genesis 1 v 26 says that Adam and Eve were formed in the image of God. Adam and Eve and that something terrible happened and that is that well Adam and Eve rebelled against God and by rebelling against God their children they were born in the image of Adam and Eve the sinners. Let me read this from Genesis 4. You see quoting Genesis 1 and saying, ‘You are in the image of God. Well you are just super special, super duper wonderful all inside and out.’ No you are not. Adam and Eve sinned and every one of their children was born dead in trespasses in sins. I would point you to Romans 3 for instance where it says….

Romans 3 v 10 (ESV – English Standard Version)

10 There is none righteous, no, not one.

Yeah read that section from Romans 3 and you realise, yeah something has gone wrong here. But Genesis 5, I am sorry if I said four it is actually Genesis 5. Let’s just note that there is a change. There is a change that is going on here. Let me read to you from the book of generations from Genesis 5.

Genesis 5 v 1-2 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.

Now in Genesis 5 v 1 notice it starts there with that we were as humans originally created in the image of God.

Genesis 5 v 3 (ESV – English Standard Version)

When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image,

And so you begin to think, ‘Oh well something has changed there.’ In fact Genesis 6 & 7 really lay this out. Let me read to you the opening portion of Genesis 6.

            Genesis 6 v 1-4 (ESV – English Standard Version)

When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Now real quick here, just a quick little hermeneutical note, there are two schools of thought on this particular passage. One school of thought actually does go way back into the church fathers that believe that what we are talking about here in Genesis 6 v 1 are procreation taking place as angels are mating with women.

However Jesus Himself makes it clear that the angels are not given in marriage. Plus angels are spirit there and not corporal and so you know that I think that is not a good hermeneutic. I think that is not born out, although there is many Christians throughout Christian history who have believed that is the case. I disagree with that interpretation. I am with the other school.

Okay that being the case what is being talked about here are the sons of God. Well we are talking about intermarrying between those who are godly believers with well the descendents of Cain. So you have got two tracks going on here. You have the descendents of Adam, the generations following Adam and Seth and others and then the generations of Cain and his descendents and so you have inter you know basically religious intermarrying which shouldn’t be taking place.

I think that is a valid interpretation of a more probable interpretation based upon Jesus own claim regarding angels and so you know that is the school that I go into. But this is not one of those things that rises to the level of you need to anathematize somebody if they have one view or another. I just don’t think it is a tenable view that we are dealing with angels. But we get to v5 here is what it says…..

Genesis 6 v 5-6 (ESV – English Standard Version)

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [Or all the time] And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

So here is the idea is that you know Genesis 5 makes it clear that because Adam and Eve sinned that Adam and Eve’s descendents are born in the image of Adam and Eve who are sinners and that this wickedness goes all the way down into the heart. Which is exactly why Genesis 6 v 5 says that…..

Genesis 6 v 5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

5 The thoughts of man’s heart was only evil continually.

And the other passage there in Genesis says from youth. You know this is something that you know it begins in the womb if you would. So when Steven Furtick here is puffing people’s egos up and saying, ‘You are super duper special and God looks on the heart.’ And all this kind of stuff and then he makes an appeal to Genesis 1 that is a faulty appeal because that is pre fall of man. That is pre original sin and you know to make an appeal to that is to make it an appeal to Adam and Eve’s nature prior to them rebelling against God. We continue…..”

Steven Furtick, “That is God put me together. [Crowd, ‘God put me together.’] Yeah you have got to get that deep down inside of you yourself. Because some of you feel thrown together and you are not thrown together.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah maybe the reason they feel that is because they understand how sinful they are.”

Steven Furtick, “When it comes to your spiritual relationship with God. You are put together. He is match matchie. Let me read you a Bible verse.”

Chris Rosebrough, “He is what? Match matchie? What is that?”

Steven Furtick, “Let me read you a Bible verse about God’s match matchie-ness.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Match matchieness. What is that? I feel like I am missing a cultural allusion here.”

Steven Furtick, “Ephesians 2 v 10….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Uh huh now what does Ephesians 2 v 10. Notice here in seeker driven megachurches and the purpose driven churches there is a rash of misreading of Ephesians 2 v 10 and what I mean by that is that it is quoted oftentimes from The Message paraphrase although Furtick is not going to read it from The Message paraphrase here. But to tell you how wonderful you are, but you see Ephesians 2 v 10 is the you know kind of the concluding thought of a bigger thought that begins at v1 and kind of has its culmination in v10. So let me read a little bit of Ephesians here so we understand what is really going on here.

So that when somebody quotes Ephesians 2 v 10 for you out of context, there is a better than ninety percent chance that they are twisting the passage, not always. But I mean there is ten percent chance they maybe correctly citing it. But it is always dubious when already we are off on the wrong foot. He is appealing to Adam and Eve – their nature before they sinned. Telling you how wonderful you are. Talking about all this stuff on the inside and God judges the heart and yet Jesus says out of the heart comes all this evil, vile filth and then here is what Paul writes….

Ephesians 1 v 1 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1To the church in Ephesus.

He you know talking before they were Christians and he says…..

            Ephesians 2 v 1 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

By the way dead means you know dead.

Ephesians 2 v 2 (ESV – English Standard Version)

in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

Weird that you know here Furtick is going to read Ephesians 2 v 10. But if he would just read few verses ahead I mean he couldn’t be saying any of this stuff that he is saying.

Ephesians 2 v 3-10 (ESV – English Standard Version)

among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.ButGod, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,

even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

So we the ‘we are God’s workmanship’  here is not some universal statement. This is talking about those who are Christians and those who are Christians they are in Christ Jesus and are God’s workmanship – created in Christ Jesus for good works, so God has saved us by grace through faith. It is a gift and not of ourselves. I mean great stuff there. But it is fascinating to me as I continue to study and listen to seeker driven sermons and exhortations and things of that nature that they skip Ephesians 2 v 8-9 and just skip right over to v10 and oftentimes read it from The Message paraphrase which says, ‘Oh you are God’s masterpiece,’ all of this designed to puff up your ego and not confront you with your sins and show you what a merciful and kind Saviour you have who would forgive even somebody as sinful as you born dead in trespasses in sins.

Instead the appeal here is to tell you just how amazingly wonderful you are. Hmm far from repentance and the forgiveness of sins we continue…..

Steven Furtick, (Ephesians 2 v 10 – NIV – New International Version) 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

This is the same essence of the sentiment that the Psalmist is trying to communicate. God prepared things for you to do before you ever showed up on the scene.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah because salvation apparently is being purpose driven.”

Steven Furtick, “And He created you to specifically match the very thing that He made you to do. Security in Christ begins when I realise that God put me together. He didn’t throw me together….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah security in Christ begins and ends with, has its culmination and consummation in Christ and Him crucified for our sins, not how wonderful I am. Because what does Paul write in Romans that…..

Romans 5 v 8

8 God demonstrates his love for us in that while we were yet sinners,

Powerless Christ died for the what, for who? The ungodly you know people like me. People like you.

Steven Furtick, “Security in Christ begins when I realise that God put me together. He didn’t throw me together. Life didn’t throw me together. I am not an accident. The circumstances surrounding my life do not reflect directly the intention of my life. The intention of my Creator determines the direction of my life. God put me together and all of our locations clap your hands if you are grateful that your life was designed by a Master Creator.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah there you go so. It kind of reminds me of that prophecy that the apostle Paul gives. Let me see if I can read this to you.

2 Timothy 3 v 1-2 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self,

Now you are thinking wait a second I mean that is you know, it has always been that way. There has always been lovers of self and lovers of….no this is a prophecy about something that is going to take place in the church in the last times.

2 Timothy 3 v 1-2 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self,

Narcissistic that is what we are talking about here.

2 Timothy 3 v 2-5 (ESV – English Standard Version)

2 Lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

In other words the apostle Paul prophesying about men like Steven Furtick. It doesn’t say, ‘Well go ahead and go to their church you know eat the meat, spit out the bones. He says, ‘Avoid such people.’ Yeah Steven Furtick’s gospel is the gospel of narcissism – self-love. Rather than God loving the unlovable in Christ by dying for their sins.

Big difference in the messages and well the end results of the two different types of messages. One true, the other false. The one self-love, the other Christ’s love for us, well the difference is night and day and the end result will be either heaven or hell depending and so which gospel are you believing? The gospel of self-love or the gospel of Christ died for sinners, wicked and vile who are defiled by the sin that burbles up from within their own hearts. See what I mean?

Alright we are up on our second break if you would like to email me regarding anything you have heard on this edition or any previous editions of Fighting For The Faith you can do so my email address is talkback@fightingforthefaith.com or you can subscribe on Facebook. It is facebook.com/piratechristian or you can follow me on Twitter my name there at @piratechristian.

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