Fighting For The Faith With Chris Rosebrough – Sermon Review: Only for a while – by Brian Houston preaching at Rick Warren’s Saddleback church


Here is the video link for this transcript – http://youtu.be/P656_OOmYdQ

[First Segment – 00:05:27 – 00:05:56]

Chris Rosebrough, “Brian Houston apparently is going to be speaking at Saddleback church before the year is over, while we are on vacation Brian Houston is going to be one of the featured speakers at Saddleback. I think that is the date if I have got the dates right. We will take a look at that story. Yeah Brian Houston Hillsong, Word of Faith heretic, he is another one of these guys who preaches the prosperity gospel, blatant about it too. So he is going to be over at Saddleback very soon.”

[Second Segment – 00:27:37 – 00:32:06]

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay from thechristianresearchnetwork.org website. Headline reads Brian Houston of Australia’s Word of Faith Hillsong church to speak at Saddleback. Okay can I ask like the obvious question, remember Rick Warren’s interview with John Piper? Okay Rick Warren let us all know that he was a monergist, okay during that interview. Okay so I mean here is my question somebody who is a Monergist and according to him he was very pleased to let John Piper know that he had recently read the entire works of Jonathan Edwards.

Now okay just work with me for a second here. Why would somebody who is a Jonathan Edwards fan and a monergist invite prosperity heretic Brian Houston to speak at his church? This I could think of like oh probably about a half a dozen or more biblical passages that say that he shouldn’t be doing this. Okay, in fact he shouldn’t have any fellowship with Brian Houston. He should be rebuking him and warning his flock about his false teaching. But anyway I will read from Christian Research Network. This is an article written by Erin Benziger. Here is what it says.

“In his most recent email newsletter, Rick Warren has announced that famed preacher, [I would like to add to that some more descriptives] famed Word of Faith prosperity heretic preacher Brian Houston of Hillsong Church in Australia will be speaking at Warren’s Saddleback Church on December 29-30. Says Warren,

[Quote] “I’m so excited to announce that Pastor Brian Houston of the world-famous,

Chris Rosebrough, “Sorry infamous. I just am doing a little editing here.”

World-famous Hillsong Church in Sydney, Australia will be speaking at Saddleback! Brian is flying over from Australia just to speak that weekend! Many of your favourite worship songs, like Shout To The Lord, came out of Hillsong. I’ll see you at this incredible end-of-the-year service!”

Chris Rosebrough, “Why do I feel like the first week that I am going to be back. It is going to be a week packed with Rick Warren stuff because he is going to be doing Oprah’s Life Class, which by the way he pre recorded, so I already know what he said and what happened. We have got that to deal with. We will have footage of Brian Houston’s heresy being preached at Saddleback. Weird that somebody like who is a you know a fan of Jonathan Edwards and a Monergist like Rick Warren would have Brian Houston there, anyway he is so Erin says,

“It is true that many contemporary “praise songs” have emerged from the Sydney megachurch, which now boasts campuses across the globe. Some would also claim that Hillsong has been known to propagate a seeker-driven version of the prosperity gospel.

Hillsong is co-pastored by Brian Houston and his wife, Bobbie.”

Chris Rosebrough, “You see there is another problem right there. You know there is no such thing as a female pastor. The Bible actually forbids this. Okay so…..”

“One may presume that a Southern Baptist such as Rick Warren should avoid lending credence to a group that appears to ignore the biblical mandate against women as pastors as found in Scripture in places such as 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Timothy 3:1–7. Just this year, however, Warren’s own wife, Kay, preached an entire sermon series during weekend services at another church and also led services at Saddleback just this past November.

Clearly, then, Rick Warren is not averse to women in the pulpit,

Chris Rosebrough, “Not averse to women preachers either, anyway.”

Teaching biblical truth to mixed audiences. In fact, Warren recently invited popular and prominent Hillsong personality,  

Chris Rosebrough, “I would say also she is also ordained with the Hillsong gang.”

Christine Caine to preach at his church. Caine spoke during Saddleback’s weekend services on October 6th-7th, helping to further her growing popularity within professing evangelical circles.

It appears that this latest invitation to Brian Houston of Hillsong only strengthens Warren’s apparent endorsement of the Hillsong ministry.

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah that is weird again. Strange that a prominent Monergist and fan of Jonathan Edwards like Rick Warren would be promoting female pastrixes and having somebody like Brian Houston come and teach during the weekend services. Just something to think about.”

[Segment One – 00:16:22 – 00:19:02]

Chris Rosebrough, “Today for hour number two we are going to be going to Saddleback church up there in Lake Forest California. That is Rick Warren’s congregation and listening to the sermon delivered there a couple of weeks ago by none other than Brian Houston of Hillsong. Now you are going, “Brian Houston Hillsong. That sounds familiar.” Yes Brian Houston is a well known prosperity preacher. He teaches the Word of Faith heresy at Hillsong in Sydney, Australia and he was just preaching at Saddleback during the Christmas break between Christmas and New Year and he did a fine mangling of 2 Corinthians 7.

The name of the sermon by the way is Only For a While and so we are going to take a look at his Bible twisting and false message that he delivered at Saddleback and ask the question: Why would Rick Warren want a man who teaches the prosperity heresy to be teaching his congregation? Because here is the deal, it is real simple, false teachers teach false doctrine. It is really that simple and so I mean, for instance if my, if the pastor of the congregation that I am a member of decided that he was going to invite Brian Houston to address us. Not that he would come because it is a small congregation.

But if he you know he invited Brian Houston or maybe Brian McLaren to come deliver the sermon on Sunday. I would be working at that point with the elders of the congregation to have our pastor, be disinvited to be our pastor. Okay if he is so obtuse theologically that he can’t tell the difference between a wolf and a sheep, between a man who teaches the biblical gospel and is sound in his theology as opposed to be somebody who is a flat out heretic. If he is so theologically and doctrinally obtuse as that, that he is doing things that are contrary to the clear Word of God regarding fellowship with heretics. Well then my pastor would be finding a new job and I think Rick Warren is displaying well problematic tendencies at best and this is one of those things that I am absolutely convinced disqualifies Rick Warren from being a Christian pastor, because he is direct rebellion against the clear teaching and statements that God has given us in His Word regarding fellowship with heretics.

[Segment two – 01:31:18 – 02:36:00]

Okay we are back hour 2 of Fighting For The Faith, we are well into it. Sermon Review time now. I told you this sermon was coming up so you had fair warning. I told you before I went on Christmas break that Brian Houston was going to be preaching at Saddleback. He is one of the main teachers of the prosperity heresy. That tells you that Rick Warren’s theology is off the rails. Let’s do this. The good, the bad, the ugly we review it all here at Fighting For The Faith.

We are an equal opportunities sermon reviewing service. Today’s sermon comes to us via Saddleback church. The name of it is entitled Only for a While delivered by Brian Houston of Hillsong, a noted well known prosperity Word of Faith heretic. Okay that is what Brian Houston is, we have covered quite a few of his false sermons here at Fighting For The Faith over the years and it is important to note he is at Saddleback church. That is basically Rick Warren thumbing his nose at Jesus and the Holy Spirit and saying, “I don’t care if your Word says that I am to separate myself, from people who teach false doctrine. I am going to have Brian Houston over here anyway, because he is so popular right now and I think that is the right way of looking at it.”

So he is going to attempt to deliver a sermon from 2 Corinthians 7. So if you want to have your Bible open to 2 Corinthians 7. You will notice that he starts off safe and conservative and then as the sermon develops that is further in, that is where some of the crazier statements come from. So let me go ahead and kill the music here, without any further a due, here is Brian Houston at Saddleback church in his sermon entitled Only For a While, here we go.

Brian Houston, “Well what an honour to be here at Saddleback, at the 11:15am service, which I hear is the most spiritual service of the entire week. Right here, right now. It really is an honour to be here and we are great fans of your pastors. In fact Rick Warren has been out to our Hillsong Conference in Australia in the past, where people come from all over the globe and he is coming again this coming year in July. So we are looking forward to that. I may have written a few books, but none of them have sold five billion copies, like his have. But then he is 20 days older than me. So there is still lots of time to go. I hope you can understand my accent because in heaven, everybody talks like this, alright.

Father thank you for your promise, Lord in the lives of your people, Lord I thank you as we enter into a New Year, a new beginning. Lord that through you it is full of hope and I just pray in Jesus name that every person in this room and in the other rooms Father and across campuses will know that you are on their side today and Lord I just thank you that you have a purpose and a plan for every single life and every single family and every single home that is represented and we thank you for the honour of being able to live our lives serving king Jesus, in your name Father amen.

So this message is called Only For a While, if you don’t remember anything else I say just remember that Only For a While and the text I am going to use is 2 Corinthians 7, but before we get there let me ask you, have you ever thought about the difference between circumstances and issues. Proverbs 4 v 23 says.

Proverbs 4 v 23 (NKJV – New King James Version)

23 “Keep your heart with all diligence,

Be diligent about the condition of your heart,

Proverbs 4 v 23 (NKJV – New King James Version)
23
“For out of it spring the issues of life.”

And you know within the context of that word issues is the idea of borders or boundaries or parameters. So it is really saying we need to be diligent about the condition of our heart, because often the borders or the boundaries or parameters. What sets those boundaries in our life is determined by our heart’s circumstances or what happened to us, oftentimes can be beyond our control.

But it is not circumstances that determine the outcomes in our life, it is issues. Issues are the things that happen in us. You have issues of the heart and so many people they never know the importance and never realise just how critical it is, if we really want to move and do all that God prepares for us and live by His almighty promise to be diligent about the condition of your heart. When you are young, when you start out it is kind of easy sometimes to have a good open idealistic even heart. But life itself, its seasons, its challenges means that as we go on a little. We have to be just that much more diligent about keeping our heart, out of which come the issues of life.

Well here in 2 Corinthians 7 it is the apostle Paul obviously writing and he is talking to the Corinthians. He was in Macedonia, which in Bible times was Northern Greece and he has been to the Corinthians in Southern Greece and he had a set of circumstances that had him feeling exhausted. It is 2 Corinthians 7 v 5 and this is what he says. He said…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 5 (NKJV – New King James Version)

For indeed, when we came to Macedonia, our bodies had no rest,

We were exhausted. He said…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 5 (NKJV – New King James Version)

5 But we were troubled on every side.

We were besieged.

2 Corinthians  7 v 5 (NKJV – New King James Version)

5 Outside were conflicts,

We were opposed.

2 Corinthians 7 v 5 (NKJV – New King James Version)

5 Inside were fears.

We were scared. Maybe coming toward the end of a big year, there are people who can identify with at least one of those things that Paul was feeling. One more time he says…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 5 (NKJV – New King James Version)

5 When we came to Macedonia, our bodies had no rest,

He was exhausted. He talks then about having trouble on every side, which is often the way trouble comes and the devil is the author of confusion. So many times when he attacks he just doesn’t attack you on one side. He attacks you from all sorts of sides, so you don’t know which battle you are fighting and…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay I am going to have to pause here for a second and the reason I have got to pause is that we need to actually take a look here at what is going on in 2 Corinthians 7, remember our three rules for sound biblical exegesis – they are context, context and context. The idea here is you have got to find out what is going on in the context so you can tell whether or not somebody is bamboozling you by ripping passages out of context to make them say something that they don’t say. So in order to get the context of 2 Corinthians 7 v 5, we are going to go backwards into 2 Corinthians 6 and I am going to start at v14 and then I am going to keep reading through the end of 2 Corinthians 7. Just so that we can get a good birds eye in context immediate context view of what is going on in this passage. Here we go.

The apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says this.

2 Corinthians 6 v 14-18 (ESV – English Standard Version)

14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial?Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

 “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,

    and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
17 Therefore go out from their midst,
and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
then I will welcome you,
18 and I will be a father to you,
and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

2 Corinthians 7 v 1-8 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of bodyand spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God. Make room in your hearts for us. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have taken advantage of no one. I do not say this to condemn you, for I said before that you are in our hearts, to die together and to live together. I am acting with great boldness toward you; I have great pride in you; I am filled with comfort. In all our affliction, I am overflowing with joy.

For even when we came into Macedonia, our bodies had no rest, but we were afflicted at every turn—fighting without and fear within. But God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the coming of Titus, and not only by his coming but also by the comfort with which he was comforted by you, as he told us of your longing, your mourning, your zeal for me, so that I rejoiced still more. For even if I made you grieve with my letter,

That would be the letter he wrote 1 Corinthians.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-16 (ESV – English Standard Version)

For even if I made you grieve with my letter, I do not regret it—though I did regret it, for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while. As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us.

10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death. 11 For see what earnestness this godly grief has produced in you, but also what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what punishment! At every point you have proved yourselves innocent in the matter. 12 So although I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of the one who did the wrong, nor for the sake of the one who suffered the wrong, but in order that your earnestness for us might be revealed to you in the sight of God.13 Therefore we are comforted.

And besides our own comfort, we rejoiced still more at the joy of Titus, because his spirit has been refreshed by you all. 14 For whatever boasts I made to him about you, I was not put to shame. But just as everything we said to you was true, so also our boasting before Titus has proved true. 15 And his affection for you is even greater, as he remembers the obedience of you all, how you received him with fear and trembling. 16 I rejoice, because I have complete confidence in you.

Okay so now you know what the full immediate context is of 2 Corinthians 7. Let me point this out though because where Brian Houston is going to go, remember the name of this sermon is Only For a While, he is getting that from the last words of v8, only for a while. Let’s review that portion just a little bit. Here is what he says at v8.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 (ESV – English Standard Version)

For even if I made you grieve with my letter, I do not regret it—though I did regret it, for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while. As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. 10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

Okay you see the distinction. So here Paul he had to write a very harsh letter – 1 Corinthians and it grieved him to do it. But it doesn’t, it didn’t grieve him and the reason why he wasn’t grieved is because it produced in them godly grief, that is repentance that leads to salvation. It is a perfect passage to go to regarding Law and Gospel. Law you preach The Law in all of its sternness and all of its sternness to basically strip people of all their self-righteousness and show them that they stand guilty and condemned before God and then you preach the good news of Christ and Him crucified for our sins and that is the comfort that we have. So The Law produced repentance that leads to salvation without regret. So that is the idea here. With this good exegesis and good look then at 2 Corinthians 7, we are now prepared for the bamboozling that Brian Houston is about to engage in. We continue…..

Brian Houston, “And this happened Paul felt besieged. Again inside there were conflicts, outside there were conflicts excuse me. Inside there were fears. He was conflicted on the inside, he had conflict on the outside and trouble within and trouble all around. So he was facing some pretty challenging times. But the wonderful thing that I see as I read through this chapter is that Paul never forgot where to go for comfort or where to go for encouragement. He goes straight from talking about his fears and his opposition and trouble on every side and being run down and exhausted to going to the God of comfort. He says next verse. He said,

2 Corinthians 7 v 6-7 (NKJV – New King James Version)

Nevertheless God,

Listen to how many times these verses use the Word comfort, it means encouragement. So important in life that we never forget where to turn for encouragement and where to go for comfort and here in these verses if I read v6 and I read v7 it says…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 6-7 (NKJV – New King James Version)

Nevertheless God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us

God comforted us

2 Corinthians 7 v 6 (NKJV – New King James Version)

6 By the coming of Titus,

So it wasn’t just his partner in the faith Titus coming that encouraged Paul, you know he thanks God for the coming of Titus. In other words God put Titus in the apostle Paul’s world. I wonder if you think about the people that God has put in your world, not just good friends, God friends. I wonder if you think about the people that God put around us. I am certain of it that those of us who are part of a great church, a local church like this one here. Rather than just being convenienced and just being a church that we love, because it is safe and because Pastor Rick is such a good Bible teacher, people who are here because they you know God put…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Really pastor Rick is such a great Bible teacher. Yeah just read the first two chapters of the book The Purpose Driven Life and every time he references scripture. Look back in the end notes because it is not there, He doesn’t give you the references and see and put those verses back in context and then tell me he is a good Bible teacher. He is the supreme apex grand puber of Bible twisting, we continue…..”

Brian Houston, “People who are here because they know God put them here and they know that God has put a pastor in your world or God has put friends in your world. They are always friends to your God given destiny. They are the people that God puts in your…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Friends to your God given destiny, what is that?”

Brian Houston, “They are the people that God puts in your world. They are always friends to your God given destiny. They are the people that God puts in your world.”

2 Corinthians 7 v 7 (NKJV – New King James Version)

and not only by his coming, but also by the consolation (or comfort or encouragement) with which he was comforted in you, when he told us of your earnest desire, your mourning, your zeal for me, so that I rejoiced even more.

He is talking to the Corinthians. So Paul in the middle of his challenges, he knows directly where to go. He says……

2 Corinthians 7 v 6-7 (NKJV – New King James Version)

Nevertheless God, who comforts the downcast,

Or the downhearted, if we live our life downcast or downhearted we are only going one way and that is down. So the apostle Paul he knew first to go to God for comfort. I mean we can go to all sorts of places looking for comfort. Sometimes we can listen to all the wrong voices and sometimes we can…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay let me point something out here. It is as if he is purposely missing the forest so that he can point out the fungus on a tree. Okay the emphasis is totally on the wrong cerebral here. I mean this passage he, there is just this fleeting little comment about how when he came to Macedonia, how our bodies had no rest, we were afflicted at every turn, fighting without fear, fighting without and fear within.

2 Corinthians 7 v 6 (ESV – English Standard Version)

But God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the coming of Titus,

Okay and so that is not even his main point here, weird okay we continue.

Brian Houston, “Sometimes we can listen to all the wrong voices and sometimes we can turn to all the wrong things, when circumstances are squeezing in on us and no matter how seasoned you are as a believer. No matter how mature you are as a Christian, no matter how well you know the Word of God. You can still forget the power of going first to God in every situation and bringing God into every circumstance and realise that the greatest place of encouragement and the greatest place of comfort is in the Word of God and out of the heart of God. Facing 2013 I would encourage every person I could to just always keep God in first place in our life and Genesis 1 v 1 where it begins.”

Genesis 1 v 1 (NKJV – New King James Version)

1 In the beginning God

Hebrews 1 begins God.

Hebrews 1 v 1-2 (NKJV – New King James Version)

1 God, who at various times and in various ways has spoke to us has in these last days spoken to us by His Son or through His Son Jesus Christ,

First Paul went to God and then second and I love this thought. He says…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 6

Nevertheless God, who comforts the downhearted,

comforted us. God comforted us by the coming of Titus.

So it wasn’t just his partner in the faith Titus coming that encouraged Paul. No he thanks God for the coming of Titus. In other words God put Titus in the apostle Paul’s world. I wonder if you think about the people that God has put in your world. Not just good friends, God friends. I wonder if you really think about the people that God puts around us. I am certain of it that those of us who are part of a great church, a local church like this one here. Rather than just being convienced and just being a church that we love because it is safe and because pastor Rick is such a good Bible teacher. People who are here because they know God put….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Really pastor Rick is such a great Bible teacher. Yeah just read the first two chapters of the book The Purpose Driven Life and every time he references scripture look back in the end notes because it is not there, he doesn’t give you the references and see and put those verses back in context and then tell me he is a good Bible teacher. He is the supreme apex grand puber of Bible twisting. We continue…..”

Brian Houston, “People who are here because they know God put them here and they know that God has put a pastor in your world or God has put friends in your world. They are always friends to your God given destiny. They are the people that God puts in your…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Friends to your God given destiny. What is that?”

Brian Houston, “They are always friends to your God given destiny. They are the people that God puts in your world, I can thank God as I look whether it is at people who I have looked up to in life or whether it is people who I would see as peers or whether it is people who are part of our team and people who have done the journey with us for up to thirty years. But I do know there are people who God has put in our world and sometimes when you face challenges and you face opposition. It is easy to draw back and you forget the people God put in your world.

2 Corinthians 7 v 6

Nevertheless God, who comforts the downhearted,

comforted us. God comforted us by the coming of Titus.

You want to live your life knowing how to encourage yourself in the Lord. Then always remember we go to God for comfort. There is people that God put in our world who are friends to our God given purpose and destiny and we know to keep those people close rather than draw back and withdraw and hold people out. But then third Paul says….

2 Corinthians 7 v 6-7

Nevertheless God, who comforts the downhearted, comforted us by the coming of Titus, and not only by his coming, but also with the encouragement, consolation, comfort with which he (Titus) was comforted by you, (The Corinthian church).

So Paul even though he is facing all these challenges, he goes into these verses saying he was filled with comfort. People who are using godly wisdom, they live their life in a way where they know where to go for encouragement and for comfort. Paul went to God. He thanked God…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “They lived their life in such a way as they knew where to go for encouragement and comfort huh? That is not what this text is about, nor is it really what it says. Okay alright. Let me back it up just a little bit and we will keep ploughing through this. Here we go.”

Brian Houston, “They live their life in a way where they know where to go for encouragement and for comfort. Paul went to God. He thanked God for his partner in the faith Titus, who God had put in his world and he thanked God for the Corinthian church and the Corinthian church was anything but the perfect church. I mean the Corinthian church they were crazy. The apostle Paul spent most of his time when writing to the Corinthians trying to sort them out and bring some order and bring some discipline and yet he knew the power of being encouraged by the church.

Do you know those are very simple things. But it is amazing how when we face circumstances, we fail to look after our heart, because we go to all the wrong places for comfort. I mean Job’s so called comforters all the encouragement that they gave Job was directly opposite to what God intended for Job and we can have all sorts of people around us and people talking into our world and listen to all sorts of voices. But knowing where to go for comfort is such a powerful thing in life.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Knowing where to go for comfort, weird we continue.”

Brian Houston, “Well the apostle Paul, he you know he had these challenging circumstances. He was feeling opposed and he was feeling besieged, and he was feeling scared and inside there were fears and he was exhausted. But he is talking to the Corinthians and the Corinthians they had some real issues. I mean their issues primarily were caused by the apostle Paul.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay now this is important. I want you to hear this again. Their issues were caused by the apostle Paul. This isn’t what this text says. Listen carefully.”

Brian Houston, “I mean their issues primarily were caused by the apostle Paul, because Paul had written them a strong strongly worded email. It was a…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Their problems were caused by the apostle Paul. Because Paul wrote them a strongly worded email, no their problems were that they were not listening to Paul. They were, they had run amuck, you had a guy sleeping with his father’s wife. They were getting drunk during communion. There was all kinds of other formal caboodlating going on at the church in Corinth. Those problems were not caused by the apostle Paul’s harshly written letter to the Corinthians. Listen again because this is where things get very wrong. Okay no, nowhere and there is no biblical scholar that is going to say oh there is all these problems that were caused at the church in Corinth by Paul’s harshly written letter. Listen again…..”

Brian Houston, “I mean their issues primarily were caused by the apostle Paul, because Paul had written them a strong strongly worded email. It was an epistle and if it was now it would be an email. But you know email’s they often, they don’t smile. You can’t sort of opt and see the spirit behind it. So Paul had written a stinging letter to the Corinthians because well they had been getting persuaded by other teachers and some were being persuaded away from the apostles and so on. So Paul has written them a strong…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah you don’t really know what was

going wrong at Corinth do you?”

Brian Houston, “So Paul has written them a strong letter and he talks about that letter next in v7, so this is what the apostle Paul says, v8 excuse me. He said…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 8 (NKJV – New King James Version)

For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, (but listen to it here is the power of it) though only for a while.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay so in Brian Houston’s misreading of this text. Here is the setup the apostle Paul caused problems to the people in Corinth by his harshly written letter or email. Right and so but the Corinthian church had the wisdom to not really let it get to them because it only made them grieve only for a while. So the power is in you needing to take this idea of only for a while and applying it to your life. Don’t believe me listen in.”

Brian Houston, “There are people in life who never learn the power of only for a while. You know sometimes in life we…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Now let me read this again in context. I want to point something out is the power only for a while. Let’s read this again from The ESV.”

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-10 (ESV – English Standard Version)

For even if I made you grieve with my letter, I do not regret it—though I did regret it, for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while. As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us.

10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

That is the context again. Okay of this whole discourse regarding grief and he was happy, he rejoiced because his harshly written letter produced in them repentance. Godly grief that led to repentance, that leads to salvation. That is what this text says. That is not what Brian Houston is going to do with this though. I will back it up we continue……”

Brian Houston, “You know sometimes in life we face all sorts of circumstances and in trying to keep our heart and be diligent about the condition of our heart. We can get some issues into our heart and you can feel like somebody let you down, somebody hurt you. Maybe you have this sense of disappointment because you feel like God didn’t answer a prayer or maybe you feel misunderstood and that is not exactly wrong. I mean you are not made of wood. God created us with feelings and sometimes we feel hurt or we disappointed or we feel misunderstood and the further we go in life the more likely that is to happen. Though what Paul was encouraging the Corinthians for was that he said, “I know my letter upset you. You know I don’t regret writing it. I did regret it. But I don’t because even though my letter upset you. It was only for a while. Listen to in The Message.”

Chris Rosebrough, “No it produced in them godly grief that led to repentance and that repentance leads to salvation. He is missing I would say intentionally missing the point of this letter. Listen again…..”

Brian Houston, “You know I don’t regret writing it. I did regret it. But I don’t because even though my letter upset you. It was only for a while. Listen to in The Message, Eugene Peterson and The Message.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay now this is where he see, listen folks I am sorry I have watched this thing twice. This is intentional. This absolutely intentionally deceitful, he starts off in The New King James Version and then right here he switches to The Message and the reason why he switches to The Message is so that he doesn’t have to read “for godly grief produces repentance.” For you felt a, he literally wants to avoid what this text says in a good translation, so at this point this is like a magic trick. Okay he is now going to oh just let me switch to The Message okay. Okay, but he is doing that so that he can continue to make his point that they discovered the power of only for a while. Rather than make the point about how godly grief produces repentance, listen again here is the switch.”

Brian Houston, “You know I don’t regret writing it. I did regret it. But I don’t because even though my letter upset you. It was only for a while. Listen to in The Message, Eugene Peterson and The Message. He puts it this way. He says….”

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 (MSG – The Message)

8-9 I know I distressed you greatly with my letter. Although I felt awful…..

Everybody say awful, [crowd repeats word] not awful [crowd laughs]….awful [crowd repeats word], that is it.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 (MSG – The Message)

8-9 At the time, I don’t feel at all bad now that I see how it turned out. The letter upset you, but only for a while.

I believe in this room and perhaps watching online or wherever else people are. There are those here who need to make choices. When it comes to some of the things that become……”

Chris Rosebrough, “Notice he is avoiding like the plague the language about how the letter produced in them godly grief that led to repentance and how godly grief produces repentance that leads to salvation, whereas worldly grief produces death. He has now officially switched to The Message which is not even a paraphrase. It is not a translation. It should be avoided like the plague. Okay you need to think of it as you know a dirty dish sponge filled with all kinds of nasty bacteria that will probably eat you alive. That is what you need to think of regarding The Message. We continue…..”

Brian Houston, “I believe in this room and perhaps watching online or wherever else people are. There are those here who need to make choices. When it comes to some of the things that become issues in our heart, yes I feel this way. But it is only for a while. You see often people stop at a disappointment or they stop at a hurt or they stop somewhere along the way and by stopping there. The issues of their heart are setting boundaries in their life that God never intended to be set. What is it that you need to decide, this is only for a while. I mean life can bring some pretty challenging circumstances.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Really seriously. This is so deceitful. I don’t even have words for it. The power is not in the mindset of only for a while, this point that he is making is how they were grieved to the point of repenting. But Brian Houston doesn’t believe a theology like that. So he must twist God’s Word and not let those words ring out about godly repentance. You see he thinks the power is that they had this mindset oh it was only for a little while, which isn’t even the point that Paul is making at all, nor is he pointing out that, that is the power. No he was rejoicing because they were grieved to the point of repenting.”

Brian Houston, “I am 58 years old. I am much younger than pastor Rick Warren, 20 days younger and in 58 years pasturing church for really all my adult life, along with my wife Bobbie and seeing the joys and the blessing and God has given us incredible opportunity and there has been miracles along the way and it is a great story to tell, but there has also been disappointments.

There has also been things that when you hear of a church on the other side of the globe. Maybe you never hear about. Some of the things that can bring pain, some of the things that we have had to work through, but can I tell you honestly that today. I feel as young and free spirited and as alive when it comes to serving Jesus and building the church. Being involved with Him and building His church. I feel as fresh in it today as we did when we began thirty years ago and that is a choice. When I was in Bible college, our Bible college principal once said to us, “No matter what happens to you in life.

No matter who hurts you or what happens to you. Never develop a wounded spirit and you know as a young pastor, a young man learning the script to be a Christian leader. I took that on board and made a decision and I can honestly say today there is not a single human being on the face of the earth that controls my spirit in a negative way. But the only way that can happen is for us to make choices in life that say, “This is only for a while,” and when people won’t make those choices then they live under limitation perhaps that they never needed to live under. I will go on reading The Message. I love it.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 The Message (MSG – The Message)

8-9 The letter upset you, but only for a while.

He says in v9.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 (MSG – The Message)

8-9 Now I’m glad—not that you were upset, but that you were jarred into turning things around. You let the distress bring you to God, not drive you from him. The result was all gain, no loss.

Distress that…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Notice that The Message paraphrase doesn’t even come close to saying the same thing. Let me read it again. Okay v8.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-10 (NKJV – New King James Version)

For even if I made you grieve with my letter, I do not regret it—though I did regret it, for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while. As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us.10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

The Message that he is reading from here, okay I mean this is just so botched it is ridiculous.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 (MSG – The Message)

8-9 Now I’m glad—not that you were upset, but that you were jarred into turning things around. You let the distress bring you to God, not drive you from him. The result was all gain, no loss.

Well that makes it sound like, “Oh they have just had the only for a while attitude and no worry, they were distressed and they let the distress bring them to God.” Isn’t that great no message of repenting and salvation and a godly grief that produces repentance. This is a completely different theology, based upon a complete butchering of God’s Word.”

Brian Houston, “Distress that drives us to God does that. It turns us around. It gets us back in the way of salvation. We…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “I have got to back this up.

I want you to hear the context. Listen again.”

Brian Houston, “[Quotes The Message]

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-9 The Message (MSG – The Message)

8-9 Now I’m glad—not that you were upset, but that you were jarred into turning things around. You let the distress bring you to God, not drive you from him. The result was all gain, no loss.

Brian Houston, “Distress that drives us to God does that. It turns us around. It gets us back in the way of salvation.”

Chris Rosebrough, “It is grieved to the point of repentance. Big difference.”

Brian Houston, “We never regret that kind of pain. But those who let the stress drive them away from God are full of regret, end up on a deathbed of regret. Nothing positive ever comes from regret. Maybe along the way you can think of people that you love and somewhere somehow something got into their heart. Maybe genuinely they were hurt. Maybe they have every reason to be disappointed. Perhaps every reason to feel misunderstood, but sadly when it comes to their God given purpose and their God given destiny.

Chris Rosebrough, “God given purpose, God given destiny hmmm weird.”

Brian Houston, “Then on a deathbed of regrets, only for a while is a powerful thought when you see what it produces. Paul goes on and says v11.

2 Corinthians 7 v 11-13 (MSG – The Message)

11-13 And now, isn’t it wonderful all the ways in which this distress has goaded you closer to God? You’re more alive, more concerned, more sensitive, more reverent, more human,

I am glad as a not an old pastor, nowhere close to that. But as a seasoned pastor, slightly older pastor, that I am a little more human and little more…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Just a reminder that last section that he read, that is from The Message, a good translation doesn’t even say anything remotely like it and notice by his mangling this text. Basically making it sound like, “Oh these people suffer distress because the apostle Paul, the big mean booger head wrote them a harshly worded email and they just, but they had the wisdom to take the tact of well this is only for a while.”

Brian Houston, “I am glad as a not an old pastor, nowhere close to that. But as a seasoned pastor, slightly older pastor, that I am a little more human and little more sensitive sometimes than I was when I was a younger pastor, more passionate, more responsible. Looked at it from any angle you have come out of this with purity of heart and that is what I was hoping for in the first place when I wrote the letter. What do you need to decide this is only for a while, what do you need to commit….”

Chris Rosebrough, “No if you are going to teach this correctly the question of is what sins do you need to be brought to the point of godly grief so that you repent and are saved. That is what this text is about.”

Brian Houston, “But this is only for a while. You know sometimes in life we have our seasons of blessings and encouragement, other times we have seasons and circumstances that are disappointing and so challenging and can cause so much anxiety naturally speaking, so much fear and we are no different than the apostle Paul was in that sense. But what we do with it is critical and coming into a new year, if I was to give you any counsel at all it would be if there are issues that relate to 2012 or previous that you are just going to take with you and bring with you into 2013. But you want 2013 to be a different year then make that commitment that says, “This is only for a while.”

In this same text the apostle Paul he encouraged the Corinthians. It is in the first verse along the lines of having a clean heart. David prayed for a clean heart. He said you create in me a clean heart. (Psalm 51 v 10) Renew a right spirit with me. Cast me not away from your presence. (Psalm 51 v 11). Take not your Holy Spirit from me. Restore unto me the joy of salvation. Uphold me with your free spirit (Psalm 51 v 12). That is the Word of God for us, that we have a free spirit. In 2 Corinthians 7 v 1 it starts……

2 Corinthians 7 v 1 (NKJV – New King James Version)

1 Therefore, having these promises,

So it is talking about God’s promises and if you read the verse right before it 2 Corinthians 6 v 18 at the end, if you look at what promise immediately proceeds. It says,

2 Corinthians 7 v 16-18 (NKJV – New King James Version)

16 God has said: “I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.” 17 Therefore “Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.” 18 “I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.”

2 Corinthians 7 v 1 (NKJV – New King James Version)

1 Therefore, having these promises,

It starts 2 Corinthians 7 v 1 and the promise of God is on your life.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay weird again.

Remember we started v14 in 2 Corinthians 6.

2 Corinthians 6 v 14-15 (ESV – English Standard Version)

14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial?

That is what this is all about.

2 Corinthians 6 v 16 (NKJV – New King James Version)

16 “I will make my dwelling among them

Okay we are the temple of the living God.

2 Corinthians 6 v 16 (NKJV – New King James Version)

16 “I will make my dwelling among them

and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
17 Therefore go out from their midst,
and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
then I will welcome you,

Man he is a skilled, quite skilled Bible twister. He is very careful to avoid the passages that would upset the agenda that he has set for this text. Because the last thing he wants to do is let God’s agenda for this text come through.”

Brian Houston, “In 2 Corinthians 7 v 1 it starts God’s promises, the promises of a faithful God, and for the sake of God’s promises. Sometimes we have to address issues of our heart. We have to decide this is only for a while, otherwise we set boundaries, we set borders, we set parameters.”

Chris Rosebrough, “This is nonsense. This has nothing to do with having a mindset of only for a while.”

Brian Houston, “We limit and it is not God’s hands. It is short, but it was just that we won’t make the choices that enable us to move on.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah not only that the phrase only for a while basically makes it clear that they were grieved only for a short period of time, because they were grieved to the point of repenting. That is what Paul said but boy Brian Houston has done a masterful tap dance routine here to make sure to avoid having to talk about godly grief that produces repentance.”

Brian Houston, “We limit and it is not God’s hands. It is short, but it was just that we won’t make the choices that enable us to move on and to go forwards and to limit the victory that he intends for us.

2 Corinthians 7 v 1 (NKJV – New King James Version)

1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Brian Houston, “Now must of us know what filthiness of the flesh is, but what about filthiness of the spirit, do you know some people have a filthy spirit. They are negative, they are cynical, they are critical.”

Chris Rosebrough, “This is it is almost as if he knew I was going to be reviewing this sermon. So apparently I have a filthy spirit because I am critical and pointing out how he is twisting God’s Word.”

Brian Houston, “Now must of us know what filthiness of the flesh is, but what about filthiness of the spirit, do you know some people have a filthy spirit. They are negative, they are cynical, they are critical, they are jaded, because they have allowed things to touch their spirit and therefore having these promises. The apostle Paul is encouraging them in terms of filthiness of the flesh. But also filthiness of the spirit. I think some church leaders they have filthy spirits. They attack other ministries, they attack other churches, they attack other pastors. One of the things I love and honour about pastor Rick Warren is you don’t see him attacking other people – quite the opposite, he is a gatherer.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Have you read his Twitter stream? Oh good night. His anti blogger tweets are well legendary and almost daily.”

Brian Houston, “He is an encourager and keeping your spirit clean it is critical. You know the power of only for while.”

Chris Rosebrough, “This scripture here teaches nothing about the power of only for a while. Instead the power again is the godly grief that produces repentance.”

Brian Houston, “Paul I believe he is encouraging them to have a clean heart and then in v2. I believe he is encouraging them to keep an open heart. Paul is saying to Corinthians remember he had written them a letter, he had upset them and he is saying to them open your hearts to us. We have wronged no one. We have corrupted no one. We have cheated no one, open your hearts to us. Don’t allow ever anything to close you off on the inside, for the sake of God’s promise on your life. Therefore having these promises, Paul is saying, “Open your heart to us.” In 2 Corinthians 6 he is still the chapter before talking to the Corinthians. If I am to read v11-12 again in The Message. Listen to what Paul says…..

2 Corinthians 6 v 11-13 (MSG – The Message)

11-13 Dear, dear Corinthians, I can’t tell you how much I long for you to enter this wide-open, spacious life. We didn’t fence you in. The smallness you feel comes from within you.

Chris Rosebrough, “What an earth? Notice his technique here. He is not reading this passage linearly and as he is hopping backward and forward in the text. He is switching from the New King James to The Message and The Message here is convoluted. Listen oh man.”

Brian Houston, “2 Corinthians 6 v 11 (MSG – The Message) We didn’t fence you in. The smallness you feel comes from within you. Your lives aren’t small, but you’re living them in a small way. It is so easy to get a point where we feel like somebody else’s attitude is restricting us or this circumstance restricted us.”

It is so easy to get to a point where we feel like somebody else’s attitude is restricting us…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “And you are living life in a smaller way. I assure you nothing in the Greek even remotely comes close to this.”

Brian Houston, “It is so easy to get a point where we feel like somebody else’s attitude is restricting us or this circumstance restricted us. But it is not the circumstances that ultimately set that boundaries in our life, it is the issues in our heart and we can start feeling restricted and we can start feeling fenced in by the attitude of somebody else and let other people control and rule our spirit and Paul is saying and I think it is put so beautifully in The Message. We didn’t fit you in.

He says your lives aren’t small. But you are living them in a small way. Now would you let me say to you today knowing what I know about God’s heart towards people, what God has for you is not small and often times it is not as though our life is small, but we can hold to things and let things clutter our spirit and hold on to hurt and we can stop there and we can because of that be living our lives in a small way. I don’t want to be a sport, a small spirited, small minded old man. When I grow old I don’t want to be a grumpy old pastor, talking about the younger generation and what they are doing. I want to be a happy old pastor. In fact I have just been hearing about the Daniel plan. I want to be lean mean kingdom machine in Jesus name. I want to be a happy pastor, speaking life into people, speaking encouragement, speaking faith, speaking joy. I want to be young and healthy and vital in Jesus name. I don’t know whether you are allowed to do this in Saddleback, but hey you know who wants to live your life old and I want to live my life young and free spirited….”

Chris Rosebrough, “He is doing push ups on the stage.”

Brian Houston, “But hey you know who wants to live your life old and I want to live my life young and free spirited. I want to bring life to other people in Jesus name. That is good on me on me guy, amen. Sorry I forgot you were Baptists, I am so sorry, [Laughs] just teasing you. Just getting my breath back in actual fact.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Don’t work out much do you?”

Brian Houston, “Live open hearted, live clean hearted and the third thing I see is Paul encouraged them to have a loyal heart. If I go on and read v3. He says…..

2 Corinthians 7 v 3 (NKJV – New King James Version)

I do not say this to condemn; for I have said before that you are in our hearts, to die together and to live together.

Paul is saying that what was in his heart was to do life with the Corinthians. I do believe that there are relationships and opportunities that we have to do life with people……”

Chris Rosebrough, “What does the phrase even mean to do life? What is that?”

Brian Houston, “I do believe that there are relationships and opportunities that we have to do life with people. We have people that God puts in our world and if there is anything that the devil who is a defeated foe. But if there is anything that he would like to do to keep our life small. It is to allow things to rule in our hearts when we never learn the…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “The devil wants to keep our life small, sounds deadly to me.”

Brian Houston, “It is to allow things to rule in our hearts when we never learn the power of saying, “Only for a while.” No mature Christian who is seasoned in the Word has any defendable excuse for living their life offended. Can I say that again no mature Christian who is seasoned in the Word has any defendable excuse for living their life offended, that doesn’t mean offences won’t come, Jesus said offences will come, sometimes life hurts, sometimes it doesn’t seem fair, sometimes when we are expecting God to work this way and He does it the other way, we can allow things to get in our heart.

But there is a power in those words that just say, “This is only for a while.” So you can live your life with a clean heart, an open heart and a loyal heart. Paul says it is in our hearts that we die together or we won’t worry too much about the dying together today. But sometimes it is the living together that can be the challenging part and here is the Corinthians they obviously were allowing their hearts to be restricted and obviously were living upset because what well…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “No they really weren’t because when you read verses eight, nine, ten, and eleven in context (2 Corinthians 7 v 8-11) in a good translation they were grieved only for a while because their grief was a godly grief that led them to repent.”

Brian Houston, “They didn’t appreciate the rebuke they had received. But they were wise enough, they were wise enough to make that decision that said, “This is only for a while.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay backing it up you need to hear what he just said. This is a complete botching of this text.

Brian Houston, “Well they didn’t appreciate the rebuke they had received. But they were wise enough, they were wise enough to make that decision that said this is only for a while.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah you see that mean old Paul him and his doctrines and stuff like that. Oh we didn’t appreciate that letter, but oh their attitude was oh no worries, only for a while. No they were brought to repentance. That is what the text says and he is making sure not to say that.”

Brian Houston, “Beautiful powerful words those. Beautiful powerful words, when people know the power of only for a while. What is it in your world? What is it in your life? It could be as much as disappointment with God or a hurt that well yes the way you feel is justified.

But if you allow it to stay an issue in your heart, it is just going to make your life small and that is not what God called to and you know there are things in this world that can take a while when it comes to working through things and you know, knowing how to go to God for comfort and keeping those God relationships in our world and knowing the power of being under the sound of the Word of God and encouraging us and building us. It can take a while.

But Paul was wise enough in his circumstances to know where to go for encouragement and not will close off and shut down and make his life smaller and therefore he was able to live a life that at time took him further than practically anyone had been in the then known world, not only geographically but in terms of opportunity and influence and sadly many people it is not as though what God has for them is small.

It is not as though what God wants for them is small. They just allow something to keep them small and those are the things I would encourage you in 2013 to decide this is only for a while. It is a beautiful feeling when you wake up after having something that is really held onto your heart, a grief, a disappointment. Perhaps something you wake up one day and all of a sudden when the sun went down last night. You didn’t let it go down on that wroth or wrath or however you may say it here in The United States of America.

You didn’t let the sun go down on it and therefore the sun didn’t come up the next morning with that still on it. You know some people the sun simply doesn’t shine in their life any longer, because they have let the sun go down on so many things, that when the sun comes up in the morning and those things are still shading the sun. It is almost like a total eclipse and what is it that we can say coming out of a year, into a new year, that when the sun goes down. It is not going to go down with His anger or this disappointment or this hurt or this feeling any longer and hey it may take a while. But with that kind of commitment, it is amazing with giving it a while what God can do to give you a freeness on the inside that keeps you big spirited in the inside that opens you up to God’s purpose, when it comes to His will and His plan on the outside.

Father I just thank you for the power of your Word.

Chris Rosebrough, “Okay done, he is praying and I am not going to let him pray. Wow he literally bent God’s Word into a pretzel, literally distorted it in order to avoid at all costs making the point that is actually made in this text and the point let me read it again.

2 Corinthians 7 v 8-10 (ESV – English Standard Version)

For even if I made you grieve with my letter, I do not regret it—though I did regret it, for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while. As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. 10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

Brian Houston literally did everything in his power, pulled out every hermeneutical twisting technique that you could possibly think of, going backwards in the text, forwards in the text, switching to The Message paraphrase everything he could do to make sure not to make the point the text makes and what would you expect from somebody who is a Word of Faith heretic. They are not men of God or women of God and none of the above. They are agents of the devil and the devil is a liar and a deceiver. That is why when they get the pulpit or getting on stage they lie and they deceive by tampering with and distorting God’s Word. Dangerous days that we live in and this happened at Saddleback – the premier flagship church of the entire Purpose Driven movement, should tell you something……..

 

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