Fighting For The Faith With Chris Rosebrough – Patricia King and Joyce Meyer Allegorize the Raising of Lazarus (John 11)

Chris Rosebrough, “So alright I am looking at my time here. You are going, “this programme just started Rosebrough.” Yeah I know I am looking at the tim-e going, “phew.” Okay I have got some major stuff I need to get into on today’s edition of Fighting for the Faith. By the way today’s episode the theme is allegory. Today’s episode of Fighting for the Faith is br-ought to you by the letter z, the number 3, and the word allegory. So just to let you all you know that. We are going to be talking about allegory.

Now from time to time it is a valid tool when you are proclaiming the truth okay. It is to be used in small portions and not to be overdone otherwise you come up with some pretty silly absurdities. Okay and to kind of give you an example of what it is we are going to be doing today, we are going to be looking at well three things. Three things that are well bad allegory.

We are going to start with Patricia King and then we are going to go to Joyce Meyer and Joyce Meyer and Patricia King are dealing with the same biblical text. The story of the resurrection of Lazarus and you will notice that in both instances what is happening is that they are allegorizing the text basically taking different elements of the text and then turning it into a symbol.

Okay let me give you a bad example of that. Let’s say, let’s take the story of Noah. Okay Noah you know the ark, the animals and the flood. That story, now if you were a modernist liberal denying the possibility of the miraculous, then automatically your worldview excludes you from understanding what this text is really all about to begin with. Now if you were a modernist liberal and you are also a pastor then what is going to happen is that you are going to get up on into the pulpit on a Sunday morning and you are going to engage in allegorical gymnastics. You know there is all kinds of weird contortions that you are going to get into in order to avoid preaching the text as if it is historical and for real. Okay and so what a modernist liberal would do is they would take the text and they would say something to the affect of, “you know this is a wonderful story that shows us that by faith we can float above the problems of the world.” And so what they do is they basically, they take the boat and then allegorize it into the good thoughts that you need to have and they take the flood itself and all the destructions going on and allegorize it and turn it into you know basically a symbol of all of the troubles and trials of this life and see God comes round and he inspires you to build a boat in order to float above all the problems of the world. You sit there and go, “that is terrible.” Yeah I know. That is a really bad way to read the scripture and when you do that you miss the whole point of the biblical text and so it is like “woah!” Okay so that is what you are talking about.

Right, so what we are going to do on today, we have got three examples of allegory that are just noboino. Okay and I am going to kind of build up to it. So we will start with Patricia King. We will move our way to Joyce Meyer and both of them are dealing with the same text of scripture which is fascinating because now you can kind of pit Patricia King against Joyce Meyer and say, “well which allegorizing is correct?”

[Segment Two]

 Chris Rosebrough, “Alright so let’s I am looking at my time here. I think I should just dive right into it. We should just get into the programme proper and so to start off our programme today on allegorization here is our music for Patricia King. Are you feeling all tied up? Yeah you know just like you can’t get anywhere. Well here is Patricia King to help you with this particular problem.”

Patricia King, “Feeling all tied up because I feel that many of you are, you are feeling like, “ah I feel stuck. I feel tied up. I feel like I am not free. I feel like I can’t move. I don’t know where I am going. I don’t know who I am.” You know and you just are feeling all wrapped up. But….”

Chris Rosebrough, “Feeling all wrapped up. I don’t even know what she is….I have never had this feeling before.”

Patricia King, “That is not who you are.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Well that is good news phew. Boy I am glad to know that if I ever have that feeling come on me that I am all tied up, that it is not who I am, weird!”

Patricia King, “The Word of God says that you are a free being in Christ and it is for freedom that Christ has set you free and so I am going to make some decrees over you today.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Oh please don’t.”

Patricia King, “That will bring you into freedom and we are going to loose you from your grave clothes and I want….”

Chris Rosebrough, [Laughs] “You are going to do what? You are going to release me from my grave clothes. What are you talking about? Hang on a second here. I am looking I…nope well as far as I can tell I am not wearing any grave clothes. Unless of course you are talking about some kind of allegorical grave clothes of which I would basically ask the question. Really seriously you are going to release me from my grave clothes? Listen.”

Patricia King, “I want to use John 11 as a text and it is a story of Lazarus who is dead and he got raised from the dead. But when he got raised from the dead, when Jesus said, “Lazarus come forth.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah…..”

Patricia King, “And everybody was watching. Lazarus did come forth from the dead. He came forth breathing but he was a breathing man now, but all tied up.”

Chris Rosebrough, “No no, I you know here you know I prepared the programme. You know I previewed this ahead of time and yet just the gravity of the ludicrousness of what it is that she is saying has hit me like a tonne of bricks. Patricia you are really going to reach into John 11. The story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead and you are going to allegorize it so that now it is an application to me in a time when I might feel psychologically tied up. Oh no. By the way the reason why Lazarus was all tied up, are you ready? Here is the depth of this particular thing, are you ready? Okay he died and what they did with bodies back then is well you will notice that he was placed in an above ground tomb and that there was a stone in front of his tomb.

Okay this is pretty simple. Basically during the second temple period when they were building the temple, you know they were still building the temple. First century. By the way the temple, Herod’s temple was never complete. The construction was still going on at the time when 70 A.D rolled around. Just to let you all know it you know it was a long building project and at the time Jesus was alive that was still going on.

Okay, anyway the point is during that period of time what they would do is that they would put somebody in an above ground tomb. After their death they would prepare the body with spices and oils. Okay this was to help you know basically treat the body properly. They would wrap it up okay and then what they would do is they would put it into a tomb, roll a stone in front of it. And here is the goal it would sit in there for basically a year. Okay and during that year it would go from being a body to being a skeleton. Okay, above ground decompositioned going on here. Okay, after a year they would take the bones. You know at that point stick them into a bone box. It is called an ushurry and you know that is the idea. Okay and several people, families would fit into an ushurry and so the idea that was the way they handled the dead back then.

So you want to know why Lazarus was tied up? Because he was dead, okay Jesus in John 11 tells him Lazarus, “come out,” he comes out and you know what? He is still wrapped up in his grave clothes and you know why? Because he was dead and now he is alive and you know so the idea here is that we have got to take care of this now, living human being who finds himself in the awkward position of having been dead and still wrapped up in grave clothes. You got it?

I mean let me put it this way. Okay if Jesus ministry were today and let’s say that this happened at like a funeral. Okay so Jesus. So here is the deal. Three days after someone is dead. The chances are the funeral hasn’t taken place and you know you understand what I am saying. So let’s pretend that Jesus shows up graveside just as they were getting ready to lower the casket into the ground in modern day. Okay and the person who died is a man named Lazarus okay. We will just kind of use this idea. Okay so what happens is Jesus shows up at the ceremony where they are getting ready to put the casket into the ground and He says to the casket, “Lazarus come out.” Right, do you know what would happen? Lazarus would come out and he would be wearing a suit. Isn’t that what they bury you in nowadays? I mean I am really excited because I have got my grave clothes hanging up in my closet. What a fine looking set of grave clothes that is too.

But so the idea here is that if that were to happen today, he would come out in a suit. If it were because it happened in the first century in Judea, he comes out wrapped up in grave clothes, strips of linen. You get what I am saying here. So there is no allegorical point to be made here and this is not an application for your life. I mean this is like an adventure in missing the entire point of the text.”

Patricia King, “He is all bound up, by what was called grave clothes. And the Lord said to those standing around him, “Untie him and let him go.” (John 11v44) And so I will just read it to you out of John 11v43.

John 11 v 43 (NASB – New American Standard Bible)

It says, “43 And when He had said these things, He cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth.”

And you know some of you right now you just need to speak to yourself with a loud voice and break this like little swirl that has been going on and that kind of bondage where you feel stuck. Just yell at yourself. Look in the mirror and say, “Lazarus come forth in Jesus name.” You know…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “Like that is going to do anything. Oh man talk about missing the whole point. Okay I have got to do this now because I am like incensed at her complete mangling of this particular text. If you have got your bible whip it out. Open it up to The Gospel of John 11. Jesus by the way is journeying now to Jerusalem. The very intention of dying on the cross for our sins. Okay this is a fantastic text by the way. This is a great Christological text. In fact in the Greek there is something going on here that I am probably going to mess up in telling. But let me explain what is going on here.

John 11 v 1-4 (ESV – English Standard Version)

1 Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his (Jesus) feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ill. So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.” But when Jesus heard it he said, “This illness does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”

Stop okay v4. What is the whole point of the Lazarus story? Are you ready? So that the Son of God may be glorified through it, that is the point of this text. Jesus Himself announces ahead of time before the events take place what the result is going to be and why all of this is going to go down the way it is going to go down. Why? For the glory of God, so that the Son of God maybe glorified through it, so who is the story about? Well number one it is not about you. I hate to break it to you. I know that might hurt your feelings. But this story isn’t about you. It is not. You are not mentioned anywhere in this story. You are not old enough to have been around you know for this. So you are not in here. Okay so the story isn’t about you. The story is about Jesus. This story is for the glory of Jesus. That is who and what this story is for. Got it? Okay. Now moving along.

John 11 v 5-6 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So, when he heard that Lazarus was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was.

It doesn’t make any sense but Jesus knows what he is doing right.

John 11 v 7-16 (ESV – English Standard Version)

Then after this he said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.” The disciples said to him, “Rabbi, the Jews were just now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?” Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.”

Now Jesus is the only person that I know that gets the right to talk about death in such I mean. I mean that almost seems like you know this is like just such a light treatment of death. He has fallen asleep? No he has stopped breathing Jesus. You understand what I am saying but here he says he has fallen asleep.

John 11 v 12-13 (ESV – English Standard Version)

12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep.

By the way this is great stuff here. Okay notice how Jesus treats death. No big deal. It is just sleeping and you are going, “well it is a big deal to me.” I understand that. Jesus experienced it and He conquered it. Okay he has a right to take a view and you might want to adopt His view. You understand what I am saying?

John 11 v 14-16 (ESV – English Standard Version)

14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, 15 and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” 16 So Thomas, called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”

Notice Thomas here is looking for some deep spiritual meaning. He is allegorizing the text. The words of Jesus in some way that and it is like Jesus just brushes him off. Right.

John 11 v 17-26 (ESV – English Standard Version)

17 Now when Jesus came, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb four days. 18 Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two milesoff, 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them concerning their brother. 20 So when Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, but Mary remained seated in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Notice this is probably the reason why Jesus is taking death so lightly.

John 11 v 26-27 (ESV – English Standard Version)

26 Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, (the Messiah) the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”

Good stuff okay. So I mean here we have got a confession. This is deep stuff. This is radically deep. She confesses that Jesus is the Messiah and God Himself. Okay she believes. You bet your bippy she believes.

John 11 v 28-36 (ESV – English Standard Version)

28 When she had said this, she went and called her sister Mary, saying in private, “The Teacher is here and is calling for you.” 29 And when she heard it, she rose quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet come into the village, but was still in the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who were with her in the house, consoling her, saw Mary rise quickly and go out, they followed her, supposing that she was going to the tomb to weep there. 32 Now when Mary came to where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet, saying to him, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”

Now different person, completely different emotions going on here.

John 11 v 33-34 (ESV – English Standard Version)

33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled. 34 And he said, “Where have you laid him?”

Now I am going to pause here for a second. Okay I have not found an English translation that quite gets what is going on in the Greek in this passage. Jesus being deeply moved, when you read it in the Greek it is almost as if He is angry. Okay and you have to kind of search around and go, “okay what is He angry at?” Because the way the impact in the Greek is way stronger than what is going on in the English. Okay deeply moved is like an understatement.

Okay and the best commentators that I have seen on this current commentators as well as ancient have identified that Jesus here is more than likely really upset at the affects and the ravages that sin has taken on His creation and His people whom He created and He loves. Jesus here is deeply moved and angry and the impact of the question is, “Where have you laid him?” Let me kind of give you a metaphor here that leads to an illustration that will kind of get you the idea of what is going on here. This is Jesus you know getting, He is looking for a lion who has killed a small boy. He is going to go find that lion and He is going to tear it in half. Okay that is kind of the impact of what is going on here. So when Jesus says, “Where have you laid him?” He is at this point really ready to you know, to kick some tail end and take names.

Okay and death and the devil are about ready to have their….you know basically heads knocked off. I mean that is kind of the impact of what is going on there in the Greek. It doesn’t really come across in the English and personally I haven’t found a way to bring it across in the English except for to take the time to kind of unpack it for you and point you to it. This is another great reason by the way that any serious bible student needs to read the New Testament in the original languages. It is I mean talk about high definition. It really, it is the difference between you know 1958 black and white and high def. That is the difference. Okay you catch so much more and those nuances make a difference.

John 11 v 34-35 (ESV – English Version)

34 And he said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.” 35 Jesus wept.

I mean two words. It says, “Jesus wept.” Stop and think about it for a minute. Weeping is not something that takes up two words. Weeping is one of those things when you are around it or it is happening to you or happening to a loved one when they are weeping. You are left speechless. There are no words that you can offer. The only thing you can do is give a wide berth. Here Jesus weeps over the death of His friend, weeps over the ravages that this death has on Martha and Mary, weeps at the whole situation. He is moved to the point of absolute slobbery weeping. Our God cares for us deeply. He truly does.

John 11 v 36-44 (ESV – English Standard Version)

36 So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!” 37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man also have kept this man from dying?”

Great question! I mean all of this is going on right. Okay the way the story is unfolding those who were there experiencing all of this they don’t know what is going to happen next. They don’t know what is going to happen next.

John 11 v 38 (ESV – English Standard Version)

38 Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.

Jesus again very commanding.

John 11 v 39 (ESV – English Standard Version)

39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.” 40 Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?” 41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.” 44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”

See that is the idea here the, “unbind him,” the command to, “unbind him and let him go.” Jesus is still in this. He is kicking tail and taking names and He is going to take the head off of the devil. He is going to take the head of death itself. He is just going to, He is going to basically steal the prey of death and so this, “unbind him, let him go,” is really in step with what is going on here in the text. You can see it clear in the Greek, clear as day. Okay and so I mean it is you know anyway that is really what is going on. Now watch the reaction. Okay all of this was for the glory of God. So that the Son of God maybe glorified.

John 11 v 45 (ESV – English Standard Version)

45 Many of the Jews therefore, who had come with Mary and had seen what he did, believed in him,

You can just imagineWe have never heard of anything like this. We have never seen anything like this. Unbelievable this guy has the gumption to command people to be raised from the dead. This wasn’t done in an upper room. This wasn’t done in private. This was… fact think back to the couple of resurrection stories from The Old Testament and the one thing that it is that they have in common is that the resurrection takes place privately. You know it is not in front of a crowd or anything like that. But Jesus literally rolls up his sleeves like He is going to knock the head off of death itself and literally take out of the jaws of death, one of its victims whom death has had for four days, commands him to be unbound and to be let go. Okay and you can just see what is going on right? Jesus is glorified and what is the result? They believe in Him. Truly this man is the Son of God. Truly this man is the Messiah. They believed in Him and this is what the will of the Father is. It is the Father’s will that you believe in The One whom He has sent. (John 6 v 29). As John says in his Gospel.

John 20 v 31

31 These things are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

Even though you die yet shall you live, that is what is going on in this text. Now there is a little bit more okay.

John 11 v 46 (ESV – English Standard Version)

46 They believed in him, but some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done.

Did they repent? No.

John 11 v 47-48 (ESV – English Standard Version)

47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him,

Whose side do you think they are working for? They don’t want people to believe in Jesus, yet He just commanded somebody to come back to life and rather than believe they want to stop people from believing in Him.

John 11 v 48-53 (ESV – English Standard Version)

48 And the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation. 49 But oen of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish. He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation.

He was right okay.

John 11 v 52-53 (ESV – English Standard Version)

52 And not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. 53 So from that day on they made plans to put Him (Jesus) to death.

And by the way that is all part of the glory of God. What is Jesus greatest moment? His sufferings and death on a cross. He is glorified when the Son of Man is lifted up. Declared to be the King of the Jews. Bleeding and dying in your place and mine. Suffering the punishment for our sins on the cross. This is for the glory of God. Right so all of this, both the good result and the believing and in the result where people were determined to put Him to death. All of that is for the glory of God. That is what this text is about. It is about Jesus. It is about the glory of Jesus and this story calls to you and says, “will you believe in the one whom the Father has sent? And give glory to your King of Kings and your Lord of Lords, who on the last day will command you and your mouldering carcass to come forth from the grave. It doesn’t matter if your body is sitting in a graveyard, six feet under or lying at the very bottom of the deepest depths of the ocean mariachi trench. Just a little joke. But do you understand what I am saying? On the last day Jesus will command you to rise and you will because He sees death as nothing more than sleep. That is what this text is about.”

So now we have got Patricia King now completely off topic.

Patricia King, “Call those things that are dead into life. You know call those things that feel all bound up into life and so you have the power to do that in the name of Jesus.”

John 11 v 44 (NASB – New American Standard Bible)

But it says, 44 “The man who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth. Jesus *said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”

And that is what Jesus wants to do for you today. Why? Because you are not called to be bound,” you are not called to be all tied up. You know sometimes it is legalistic mindsets that tie you up and you know it says, “you can’t do this and you can’t do that.”

Chris Rosebrough, “No see she has completely missed the whole point of the text.”

Patricia King, “I was just sharing with someone recently as we were looking at some legal issues and some administrative laws that had been laid out. I said, “listen it always has to work this way.” The law or administration has to serve the vision and not the other way around.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Huh?”

Patricia King, “You know when you look at different revivals and church history, you will find that every revival started with the freedom of the movement of the Spirit of God. It started with revival. Every denomination started with revival. But then it started to take shape and form the control of the law and administration and that started coming into a…..”

Chris Rosebrough, “What does this have to do with the story of Lazarus?”

Patricia King, “Administration and Law is good. The Law is good, administration is good but only if it serves the vision. When it starts to control a vision then you get all tied up and you can’t do anything and so every revival that started moves of God ended up institutionalized denominations that are dead. That which was life turned out to be dead.”

Chris Rosebrough, “How are you finding this from the text?”

Patricia King, “It should be the other way around. That which is dead should come into life and so God does not want you tied up. What is it that is tying you up? Is it sin in your life? If so get rid of the sin.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah it is false prophetesses.”

Patricia King, “It is not worth being tied up over a passion for sin. It will just take you down into a gutter. But you can deal with that easily. You repent, you turn away from the sin. You ask Jesus to forgive you and cleanse you from all unrighteousness and He will do that and then you can move on in righteousness. Is it controlling elements around you? You can have power over that. You are the head and not the tail. You are above and not beneath and……”

Chris Rosebrough, “Notice all of a sudden I am the subject of this text and I am not, you are not, I am not. This is what allegorization does is, it basically hijacks the text and texts that are you know about Jesus and for His glory end up being about you and apparently for your glory.”

Patricia King, “You can rise up and say, “I am going to obey my God. I am going to be free. You know it could be that mindsets that are in you are keeping you all tied up, because you think, “oh I am just no good. Oh I am rejected. Oh I am poor. Oh I am this. Oh I am that,” and those mindsets will suck into you. The actual manifestation of what you are believing.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Uh huh…..”

Patricia King, “And so let’s deal with those things and get you untied.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Oh no.”

Patricia King, “And so  I just want to unwrap you right now.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Yeah feel free.”

Patricia King, “You know one of the things I love to do is coach people into freedom. I just want to decree over you that you are coming out of your grave clothes. We are going  to see them all unwrapped. God is going to send you coaches. He is going to send you matches to come alongside of you and to help you, to untie you, and to let you go.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Oh how wonderful. What a great word of nonsense!!!

Anyway by the way Joyce Meyer from the September 8th edition of The Christian Post. You can find this at The name of the, the headline reads by the way Roll Away Your Own Stone. Listen to what Joyce Meyer does with the John 11 text.

Joyce Meyer writes, by the way she is now a guest columnist at The Christian Post.

Joyce Meyer, “I don’t know if you’ve been hanging out with Jesus long enough to know this, but He is predictably unpredictable. He likes to change things up. In fact, I don’t think He ever healed people the same way twice in the Bible.

Chris Rosebrough, “Boy that Jesus is just chock full of creativity isn’t He? Anyway she continues. She says,”

Joyce Meyer, “Just think about some of the strange things Jesus told people to do.

When there was no more wine left at a wedding, He told the servants there to fill up jars with water and then serve it to the master of the banquet as though it were wine.”

Chris Rosebrough, “Well it actually was changed into wine. It wasn’t as if it were wine. It yeah anyway…..”

Joyce Meyer, “When a blind man came to Him for healing, Jesus spit in the dirt, made a mud cake and said, “Here. Rub this on your eyes and then go wash off in the pool. Can you imagine? Any one of them could have said, “I’m sorry, Jesus. That sounds ridiculous and I don’t think it’s going to work and I’d just rather not have people making fun of me, thank you.” But they didn’t question Jesus. They did what He asked them to do…and they got their miracle.”

Chris Rosebrough, “So you want your miracle too? All you have got to do is do what Jesus is asking you to do.”

Joyce Meyer, “Jesus was looking for faith. All of God’s children have faith. The question is are we willing to do what He tells us right away, or are we going to analyze every little thing He asks us to do?”

Chris Rosebrough, “So next section by the way is called Learning From Lazarus Story.”

Learning from Lazarus’ Story

Joyce Meyer, “Let’s take a look at John 11. It’s the chapter where Jesus raises His friend Lazarus from the dead. The Bible says that Jesus was deeply disquieted when He approached Lazarus’ tomb. He was visibly disturbed. And Martha, Lazarus’ sister, came out to meet Him and said, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.” Think for a moment how Jesus must have felt. He knows what has happened and has come to fix the problem, but no one really understands what He’s capable of doing. He’s surrounded by unbelief. And in the midst of the confusion, Jesus says to the people,” Take away the stone.” Isn’t it interesting that Jesus was getting ready to raise a man from the dead but He drew a line at rolling away the stone? He wanted them to move it. I bet it looked heavy.”

Admitting It’s Not Too Hard

Joyce Meyer, “So many times when God asks us to do something for Him, we look at the situation and say, “I’m not like You, Jesus. There’s no way I can do that.” Maybe you need to forgive people who have hurt you. Maybe you’re asking God for a new house and He’s telling you to clean up the one you’ve got. Maybe you’re waiting for a debt reduction miracle and you’re still paying with credit cards everywhere you go. Many of us waste years saying, “I can’t do it, God. It’s just too hard.” But that’s just a web of deception that Satan spins. When you know the character of God, you know He’s not going to give one of His children something to do that they cannot do. The minute you take a step of faith to do what God asked you to do, all of a sudden, a divine strength and ability hooks up with you. The anointing makes you strong and something you thought you could never do isn’t that much of an issue anymore.


Staying Faithful in the Desert

Joyce Meyer, “A lot of times we think, I’ve been faithful and obedient and nothing’s changed. Well, it will. The timing may not be right or there might be a few other things God wants you to do before you get your final breakthrough. But you don’t have to be upset until God solves your problem. We don’t have faith so we can never have a problem. We have faith so we can have a problem and not let it have us.”

Chris Rosebrough, “So apparently in Joyce Meyer’s reading of John 11, you see the obedience was when Jesus said, “roll away the stone.” See Jesus was looking for faith and obedience and so he drew the line at you know rolling away the stone. He wouldn’t do that but because they obeyed Him they got their miracle. Yeah the problem is that when you read John 11 before anybody did anything as far as rolling away any stones were concerned, Jesus already telegraphed His punch. He let His disciples know that Lazarus this Lazarus thing wasn’t going to result in death and that the whole thing was to happen for the glory of the Son of God. Jesus intended to heal him no matter what. So the rolling away of the stone, that is kind of pointing to that and saying, “huh there is the obedience Jesus was looking for.” Nothing at all says that. It is just a minor point in the telling of the historical account and yet she is attaching some kind of weird allegorical significance to it. So Jesus wants to you know raise up your dead relationships, raise your finances from the dead and stuff like that. But you have got to roll away the stone. It is not what this text is about at all.

And in both instances they are taking Patricia King and Joyce Meyer they are allegorizing the text and making it say something it doesn’t say and by doing so it is avoiding very carefully what the text is really all about and that is not just a what but a who and the who is Jesus and not you.”


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