Word of Faith False Teacher Joyce Meyer’s Shocking Doctrine and Heresy
Word of Faith False Teacher Joyce Meyer’s Shocking Doctrine and Heresy By Fran Sankey
Today we will be discussing the well known conference speaker Joyce Meyer author, and Bible teacher Joyce Meyer. In case you have never heard of Joyce Meyer I will start out with some background about her.
She is a very popular author, conference speaker and Bible teacher based in the Saint Louis area. Meyer has a multimillion dollar ministry called Joyce Meyer Ministries and can be found on the net at www.joycemeyer.org. She also has an extremely popular TV and Radio programme called Enjoying Everyday Life which can be seen and heard on hundreds and hundreds of Radio and TV stations nationally and worldwide. Meyer teaches on some very practical issues making her well received such as forgiveness, dealing with a busy life, emotional healing, anxiety, addictions and self-discipline. She is especially loved by tens of thousands of women who hold her teachings up as being life changing. Joyce Meyer gained even more prominence when she made it to the cover story of Time Magazine in February of 2005 as one in the list of 25 most influential Evangelicals in America and by the way she is also in the September 18th 2006 issue of Time Magazine and she has also been on the cover of Charisma Magazine.
Well as popular as Joyce Meyer is this certainly doesn’t mean her teaching shouldn’t be held up under the light of the scriptures. We are commanded to test all things, examine the prophets, rightly divide the Word of truth and test the Spirits for not all come from God. As always I will be testing the teaching of Joyce Meyer and not judging her relationship with God. Only God knows if she has been born again by the Spirit. Only he knows what is in her heart and if she has truly repented and trusted in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of her sins.
Although Meyer has some good teachings perhaps the most striking, unbiblical, and problematic teaching from Joyce Meyer is her teaching on the atonement of Jesus Christ particularly about what happened between the point of Jesus crucifixion and his resurrection. It isn’t so much that Meyer doesn’t believe in the atonement of Jesus, but the problem lies in where he paid for our sins. The following teaching from Meyer comes from her 1991 Booklet called The Most Important Decision you Will Ever Make, it is also repeated on her audio teaching called From the Cross to the Throne which I have heard is currently unavailable. Well the crux of Meyer’s teaching on the atonement is that Jesus Christ paid for our sins in hell, that’s right in hell!!!! She teaches that on the cross Jesus literally became not just our sin bearer but sin itself and ceased to be the Son of God. After Jesus died on the cross he went to hell not to proclaim the gospel or to announce his victory as some Christians believe but he went to hell to be tortured for 3 days and 3 nights by Satan and his demons as part of the punishment for our sins. After 3 days of demons jumping all over him and laughing at him, God finally had enough and seeing that the price for sin was finally paid God ended the suffering and Jesus then physically rose from the dead as the first born again man.
You know this teaching is nothing real new it has been taught in different forms by many Word of Faith teachers such as Benny Hinn, Frederick Price, Charles Capps, Kenneth Copeland, and the late Kenneth Hagin. You know it is one thing to plagiarize someone else’s teachings but it is another thing to plagiarize heresy and call it orthodox.
Well in her 1991 Booklet called The Most Important Decision you Will Ever Make Joyce Meyer writes quote, “During that time he entered hell where you and I deserved to go because of our sin. He paid the price there. No plan was too extreme. Jesus paid on the cross and in hell.”
Listen to a minute for sound clips of Joyce Meyer’s teaching on this subject from the audio tape From the Cross to the Throne,
Joyce Meyer – Jesus Tormented in Hell by Satan and Demons (click this link to listen to the sound clip)
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “The Devil thought he had it, the devil thought he had won. Oh they were having the biggest party that has ever been had. They had my Jesus on the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing and he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing wanting to put a stop to what was going on. All the hosts of hell were up on him, up on him, up on him. The angels are in agony, all the creation is groaning. All the hosts of hell was up on him, up on him, they got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking, “haha you trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he would save you and get you off that cross – he didn’t haha.”
Just in case you doubt Joyce right now she wrote in her above mentioned Booklet quote, “There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell.”
Now I am not going to split hairs with someone who believes a different theology than mine on the order of where Jesus soul / spirit went during the three days and three nights that his body laid in the tomb. Did he go directly to paradise to be with the repentant thief? Did he go to the second compartment mentioned in Luke 16 where the damned souls were suffering in torment? Or did Jesus go to hades or to hell? Did he go there to preach the gospel or to proclaim his victory or to bring The Old Testament righteous souls waiting in Abraham’s bosom to heaven? This can be argued and friendly debated. But what cannot be considered is what you heard Joyce Meyer teach – that Jesus paid for our sin in hell. Jesus certainly did not pay for our sin in hell. The Bible is extremely clear that it was on the cross where our fine was paid, it was on the cross where the blood of Jesus was spilled and accepted as a ransom for us – the cross was the place, the only place where our atonement was brought.
You know Satan loves to take our attention away from the cross. He did it with the Mormons as they teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane. Islam teaches that Jesus didn’t die on the cross at all but perhaps Judas may have died in his place. Christian Science teaches that Jesus didn’t even die because death is an illusion. But the Bible says much different the atonement was made on the cross where Jesus bled and died for us – 1 Peter 2:24 says, “Who himself bore our sins in his own body on the tree,” not in hell. Ephesians 1:7 says, “that we have redemption and forgiveness through his blood,” not through his suffering in hell and remember that on the cross not in hell Jesus declared these words in John 19 he said, “It is finished.”
According to Meyer Jesus only meant that The Old Covenant was finished but she said that the atonement was really just getting started when Jesus said these words. However Meyer fails to understand that the words, “It is finished” are one Greek word which means to complete a process to accomplish, to pay in full. Joyce Meyer should take James 3:1 seriously as it says, “My brethren let not many of you become teachers knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgement.” You know it is very interesting that you can search The New Testament from front to back and never exegete this sensationalistic teaching from it.
Meyer like many in The Word of Faith camp who teach extra biblical doctrine appeals to what she would call Revelation Knowledge to substantiate her teachings as coming from God. In other words the Bible doesn’t actually teach this, I got it through a direct revelation from God’s Spirit to my Spirit. That is why Meyer said in her audio tape dealing with the exact same subject quote, “The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really that is why you have got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I am telling you. I have got to just trust God that he is putting it into your spirit like he put it into mine.”
Joyce Meyer – Revelation Knowledge (click this link to listen to the sound clip)
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really that is why you have got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I am telling you. I have got to just trust God that he is putting it into your spirit like he put it into mine.”
Here is one example of this revelation knowledge on the now unavailable audio tape by Joyce Meyer called From the Cross to the Throne,
Joyce Meyer – Special Revelation Knowledge (click this link to listen to the sound clip)
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “Well here comes Jesus into hell. Now I don’t know what hell looks like but God gave me a few ideas. It is hot, fire hot but at the same time it is cold and clammy. That is kind of different isn’t it? Fire hot, but cold and clammy.”
Chapter and verse please. I can understand the fire hot part, but where in the Bible does it say hell is cold and clammy? This is the kind of thing that Joyce Meyer and others in the Word of Faith movement do. They appeal to a special revelation knowledge from God and teach it as Bible truth even though it has no scriptural basis at all. They use this as a way to make themselves appear to possess an anointing from God and if you don’t get what they are teaching you must not have the anointing.
For example on the audio tape Meyer categorizes her heretical atonement theology as something so special that most of the church doesn’t even know about it. For 2,000 years the church didn’t even know what happened between Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection and that is until Joyce.
Joyce Meyer – Special Revelation (click this link to listen to the sound clip)
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “Do you know something? A large majority of the church really doesn’t even know. Honestly and truly they really don’t even know. Well you are going to know when this night is over.”
Another example of extra biblical teaching from Joyce Meyer is this,
Joyce Meyer – It is Enough God Ends Jesus Torture in Hell (click this link to listen to the sound clip)
(audio clip), “Sunday morning here comes the sun. Sunday morning God gets himself together. Justice has been met somehow everything has been taken care of and oh God gets his voice together and he hummers up three words and they go roaring through the universe and entering the gates of hell. He said it is enough. It is enough.”
Again chapter and verse please!!!! Where in the World does the Bible say this? Well we will pick up more about Joyce Meyer and her born again Jesus teaching next week. Last week we began to discuss the theology of popular TV, Radio and conference speaker Joyce Meyer. Meyer has a multimillion dollar Bible teaching ministry with an audience spanning nationally in the U.S. and reaching the world abroad. Meyer is especially attractive to many women who enjoy her practical teaching on topics such as forgiveness, relieving stress, obedience and addictions. However as we covered last week Meyer has some huge problems in her theology when it comes to where Jesus atoned for the sins of mankind. You might say, “that is easy it was on the cross.” Well Meyer actually teaches that it was in hell where Jesus did the work. That’s right in hell. Meyer doesn’t deny the cross outright but says the cross is only the place where the atonement began. This would mean like every cult teaches that the work Jesus did on the cross was insufficient for salvation. Cults and many religions teach there is always more work to be done. The cross wasn’t enough, that my friends is heresy.
According to the atonement according to Joyce Meyer when Jesus was on the cross he literally became sin and ceased to be the Son of God. He then died and went to hell for 3 days and 3 nights where Jesus was beaten and mocked by the devil and his angels. It was this suffering in hell that paid for our sins. Meyer teaches that after God had enough of watching Jesus being beaten with demons jumping up all over him God finally got himself together and yelled out, “it is enough,” which is nowhere to be found in scripture. At this point and the point where we will pick up today Jesus Christ physically rose from the dead as the first man ever to be born again.
In her 1991 Booklet The Most Important Decision you Will Ever Make Meyer wrote quote, “God rose up from his throne and said to the demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God let him go. Then the resurrection power of the almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. He was resurrected from the dead the first born again man.”
This again is a heresy taught by several of The Word of Faith teachers out there like Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Frederick Price, Benny Hinn, and more. Joyce Meyer teaches that on the cross Jesus literally became sin and died spiritually, not that he became a sin offering on whom God poured out his divine wrath but that Jesus became sin died spiritually ceasing to be the Son of God. You can her hear her teach this on her audio tape titled From the Cross to the Throne.
Joyce Meyer – Blasphemous Heresy – Jesus Became Sin and Died Spiritually and Ceased to be the Son of God on the Cross (click this link to listen to this sound clip)
(audio clip), Joyce Meyer “He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin.”
My friend God cannot cease to be God and Jesus never ceased to be the Son of God. Yes he added the nature of humanity in the incarnation, yes he took our sin upon himself, yes he underwent God’s holy wrath for us but no Jesus never ceased to be deity nor did cease to be the Son of God. Psalm 90:2 says, “From everlasting to everlasting you are God.” Hebrews 13:8 says, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.” Jesus always was God and always will be God. There is no point in eternity past or eternity future where the Son can cease to be almighty God.
Now to the born again Jesus teaching.
Joyce Meyer – Jesus the First Born Again Man (click this link to listen to this sound clip)
Listen to Joyce Meyer here, (audio clip) “Do you know something? The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again. Now that was real it happened when he was in hell.”
Is this true, was Jesus the first human ever to be born again? Well it might be good to quickly review why we need to be born again in the first place. Well the reason why we need must experience the new birth is because our physical birth was a birth tainted with sin. Romans 5:12 says, “Therefore just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin and thus death spread to all men because all sinned.” Psalm 51:5 says, “Behold I was brought forth in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.” The fact that we are sinners by birth and by choice makes it necessary to be reborn into a right spiritual relationship with God. Having our sins forgiven and declared righteous, since nothing unholy can dwell in God’s presence we must be made holy by the imputed righteousness of Christ where he removes our sin and credits his righteousness into our account.
Now was Jesus a sinner?
Was he born with original sin?
He was born sinless through a virgin.
As Joyce Meyer confuses in her teaching Jesus was not made sin or a sinner on the cross but he bore our sins. He was the holy and sinless lamb of God, the Passover lamb whom the sins of the world and God’s holy wrath were laid upon. Appeasing the justice of God so he could be both just and the justifier of those who have faith in Jesus. The point is that Jesus had no need to be born again because his nature was not sinful like ours but sinless.
Well the fact that Jesus did not need to suffer in hell to atone for our sins is evident in Luke 23:43 where Jesus said to the repentant thief, “assuredly I say to you today you will be with me in paradise.” The problem is this how could Jesus be in paradise that day with the thief, if he had to further suffer in hell under the control of the devil and his demons for 3 more days and 3 more nights? The answer is he couldn’t make that statement to the repentant thief if he needed to continue the atonement in hell. Well Joyce Meyer knows this and addresses this on her audio tape called From the Cross to the Throne her answer is amazing especially to those who have some knowledge of Jehovah Witness theology. Since Jehovah Witness teach that man does not have an immortal soul that lives on after the death of the body Jesus statement to the thief that they would be together in paradise that same day is problematic to them. They couldn’t be there together that day if their body is all they possess and is lying there dead in the grave.
In Joyce Meyer’s theology she has another slant again they couldn’t be together in paradise that same day if Jesus had more work to do in hell before going to paradise. Joyce Meyer does the same thing that the Jehovah’s Witness Bible does, she moves the comma and Jesus statement forward one word listen to this,
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “And in Luke 23:43 “Jesus said unto him, “I say unto you today you shall be in paradise with me. There is no punctuation in the original translations of the Bible. We have punctuated it and in this particular scripture it was punctuated wrong. They put in there I say unto you comma today you shall be in paradise with me. Making it appear that the minute Jesus died on the cross he went straight to paradise. No, no, no he did not. The way it should read is I say unto you today comma I am telling you this today. Today I am telling you that you are going to be in paradise with me. But he didn’t say you are going to be there today, he said I am telling you this today.”
Joyce Meyer – Misinterpretation of Luke 23:43 (click this link to listen to this sound clip)
But I would ask Joyce Meyer the same thing that I would ask a Jehovah Witness.
1) Jesus uses the statement I say unto you dozens of times in the gospels perhaps as many as seventy times. Every time he uses this statement the translators place a comma after the word you – I say unto you comma. Why would this be the only instance where the translators misplace the comma? Is it more reasonable to assume that the Bible is reliable placing the comma in the same location in every translation which translators have done for hundreds of years? Or is it more reasonable to assume that this the only location where they got it wrong?
2) Number two why would Jesus have to say, “I say unto you today” what other day would Jesus be making this statement to the thief? He certainly wasn’t making it yesterday, or tomorrow. It would be silly, a waste of a word.
The answer is that although there is no comma in the ancient Greek manuscripts the translations have been consistent, logical, and reliable for years. Joyce Meyer like the Jehovah Witnesses have changed the intended words of Jesus twisting the scriptures, making the Bible fit into her own warped theology. Instead of letting the Bible form her doctrine, she forms the Bible’s doctrine.
Another very disturbing teaching of Joyce Meyer is her teaching of sinless perfection. On her audio tape From, the Cross to the Throne Meyer teaches that she is not a sinner.
Crazy mad Woman Joyce Meyer Claims She is no Longer a Sinner – Sinless Perfection Heresy (click this link to listen to this sound clip)
(audio clip) Joyce Meyer, “All I was ever taught to say was I a poor miserable sinner. I am not poor, I am not miserable, and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I were and if I still was then Jesus died in vain. I am going to tell you something folks I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore and the religious world thinks that is heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I am righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.”
Yes you can it is called imputed righteousness. God’s wrath was poured out on Jesus so his righteousness could be imputed or credited to us. When God looks down on a born again child he sees us positionally as possessing the righteousness of Christ in us. Now practically speaking we are still sinners although positionally we are in a right standing before God, practically we do still sin. As a pastor friend of mine says, “I am not sinless but I do sin less.” The point is that we still sin. To say that we have reached a state of sinless perfection is calling God a liar. 1 John 1:8 says, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us,” and the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 1:15 said, “He is not was the chief of sinners.” Now remember that God doesn’t just see our outward actions. He doesn’t just hear our lies, see our fornications and thefts but God sees the thought life of the heart. Every thought and attitude of our heart is there before God. God sees our lust as adultery, our hatred as murder. He sees our selfishness, our pride, our covertness, our lack of thanksgiving. To say that we are not sinners is something no-one on this earth will be able to say until he is resurrected and glorified in his eternal body. But thanks be to God that he doesn’t hold our sin against us if we have repented and trusted in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Only in him are we made worthy and acceptable before the throne of God and able to approach him with confidence.
As I close this examination of Joyce Meyer’s theology I hope that you can see that this is a serious matter. It is one thing to be awful on eschatology, or signs, gifts it is another thing to be off on the atonement of Jesus Christ. The Bible is very clear that Jesus paid for our sins on the cross when he shed his blood and died. The Bible nowhere says that Jesus ceased to be the Son of God on the cross and it never says he suffered in hell as part of the atonement and was resurrected as a born again man. This is a blatant false teaching, a blatant lie from hell and I know that many good Christians who love Jesus and are obedient to the Word follow Joyce Meyer and her teachings. I didn’t do this critique to ridicule you or to pick on Meyer but I would plead with you to examine this evidence and be discerning as you place yourself under the teaching of Joyce Meyer or anyone else including me.
If you are interested in the cd of both parts of this teaching contact me. My email address is firstname.lastname@example.org My phone number is 6105135525. Our website again http://www.towertotruth.net. Don’t forget to tune in next week for another apologetic issue facing Christianity today. And remember don’t just believe everything you hear, but test all things.